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    Posted: 12 June 2006 at 09:56

Shall I order a 140% or a 150% genoa (mylar/pentex) for my new 342? Will the 140% genoa give the nessesary power upwind in clubregatta? The 150% genoa "costs" approx 2,5 sec/nm in the handicaprating vs. the 140% genoa.

 

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Dear Abstinenz,

Started racing in clubregatta's this summer with a Hanse 342 I am convinced, after a few races, you should go for a high aspect (range in between 105-110%).

A genoa bigger than that will not bring you any advantage. The problem with the high aspect is that you'll need to install a separate genoa rail.

A 342 with a proper spinnaker and high aspect is pretty fast and very frustrating for the competition if you can trim the sails properly.

I am looking forward for the winter races when the boat is empty and the main drop en sprayhood are removed.

Regards Maarten

 

 

 

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Hey Maarten

Thanks for your reply. Have you mounted new genoa rail, and if, do you have a picture to mail?
I know that Lundh Sails www.lundhsails.se  in Sweden have experimented with a 110 % (approx) headsail and claim to have good results, but why not then have a 125 % genoa and use the existing genoa rails? Do you only have a spinnaker or do you also have a gennaker. On my former boat I had a spinnaker, but I'am curious about only using a gennaker in the reggattas. Do you have any pro's and con's on this subject? ABN AMRO ONE did only use a gennaker on there VO70...hmmm.
Though I have raced for more than 25 years in several classes including X-99 and are quite comfortable with a spinnaker, I do not have any experience with a gennaker.

 

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Hi Abstinenz,

I have not yet mounted the genoa rail yet. Racing other boats with the self tacker I found that I can easily keep up with same size boats or larger boats with big genoa's.

If you don't point too high you'll make good speed.

If the wind increases you'll find that with a big genoa you'll need lot's of people hiking. If prefer to race the boat with 3 or 4 people and I am convinced that a high aspect will do the trick. More performance in light winds and no need for reefing or racing with 6 or 7 people.

I bougth a 84 m2 spinnaker. My sail maker adviced to take 104 m2 spinnaker for racing but with 3 people the handling of the 84 m2 is quite easy and the boats is very fast!

I some times race a J92 and Max fun 35 with a gennaker but noting beats a spinnaker. I often raced a X-99 as a crew member. The best boat I have ever raced. 

I recently downloaded a lay-out for the roof high aspect rails in PDF format. Can't find it on this computer, I will post it when I can locate it.

I am afraid the Hanse342 doesn't handle as a X-99 up wind but downwind you'll have lots of fun and my feeling is that it might be faster than a X-99.

Regards Maarten

 

 

 

 

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Hi Maarten.

So the best to do is probably to order a reaching gennaker and a running spinnaker and keep the selftacker headsail/invest in a high aspect 110%?

/Steen



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You cant have the selftacker rail and the roof rails at the same time
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote aisoro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 August 2006 at 11:31

Christian,

why not? I believe you can install roof rails right behind the selftacker rail and use a 110% genoa.. Take a look at the instructions for 341R:

2006-02-24_173720_ha34Rlb1c1_segelplan.pdf

a special racing model made by Hanseyachts

 

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After having consulted several sailmakers, this forum and finaly my local Quantum sailmaker we have come to the conclusion that we will equipe our 342 with a 130 % (33,8 m2) cross cut kevlar genua (Fusion X) and a V3 max girth gennaker (98 m2) nylon 0,9 oz for broad reaching and running supported by a spinnaker boom under some conditions.

Our typical and local regattaconditions are the olympic triangel of approx 6,5 Nm in windrange 4-22 knots, wavehights of not over 1,5 meter.

There's suddenly loooonnnng time to April in Denmark....

/Steen

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Steen,

Thanks for the update on sails.  I am going to have the same decision to make on sails after I have made the decision on tiller/wheel.

We do a lot of short handed racing (only two people and autohelm allowed on board).

What wind angles do you expect to be able to use your Gennaker in, and up to what wind speed?

Thanks,

Ed

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Ed

I believe I can use the gennaker from 80 dgr. in ligth wind  and up to 180 dgr. in 20-24 knots of windspeed (supported by the spinnaker boom) without the help from the spinnakerboom when running I believe 160 dgr. will be maximum. I have also been looking into the price attraktive standard Momentum gennakers/spinnakers but they all seems to have a small mid girth which will handicap your running ability. I think it is okay to have a standard (Momentum, North Easy etc) gennaker for easy cruising purpose, but you really need to have a customized gennaker for racing as the mass produced standards does not take your boats I and J figures into seriously consideration. 

My wife and I also do a lot of short handed racing which off course have had some influence on the choice of sails to be bought. Yes, you read it correct. I have a wife who races with me in all kinds of weather  and when the spinnaker/gennaker comes up, she's at the helm. 

 



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