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Hi Kiwihanse,
Thanks for your reply. Can you tell me what instruments the NSS8 and Triton displays were connected to on your boat assuming it is a later production year Hanse and probably fitted with different and newer Simrad or other brand instruments when new?
Also what autopilot controller do you have or are you using the NSS8 for autopilot functions in addition to chartplotter duty? If not, what autopilot controller you have on the boat?
I am asking to confirm compatibility before I order the Zeus2 to swap out my CX33 chartplotter and order two Triton T41 displays to show wind and depth. If I understand correctly, the Zeus2 and Tritons can be connected to the Simnet network using micro C female adapters?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote KnutF Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 February 2015 at 18:01
I have a 370 produced April 2008 which probably has much the same Simrad equipment as your boat. Difference is tghat I had the GB40 with a separate marine computer instead of the CX33 plotter.
Last summer I replaced the GB 40 with a B&G Zeus thouch 8 and it was just plug an play as soon as connected to the Simnet. Th B&G found all other instruments itself.  The only extra part I needed is a cable from NMEA 2000 to Simnet.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gertha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 February 2015 at 18:40
Richard,
I have June 2006 370, believe most of my kit is similar to yours.

IS12 the Combi acts as a main part, the power for the whole net is on this unit, plus the speed and depth transducers are hard wired to the combi .
On the IS20, which is simrad upgrade to the level of B&G you are after ,the power is on the net in a different way and the transducers are plugged straight on to the net. I have an IS20 display and it is picking up the speed and data from my transducers but I have kept the IDS20 Combi.
AP16 goes with the AC10, this is not compatible with new kit, the compass and rudder feed back are wired to the computer; on AC12 the compass and rudder connect to net.
The new wind transducer will talk to old instruments; not sure if the old masthead will talk to the new instruments.
The geeky computer stuff is all 2000 on the new kit and we are in the 1800's; then we have daisy chains and the new stuff has drop downs.

Bottom line , as I have looked to upgrade, rip all the kit you have off the boat and upgrade the whole lot, it is going to be expensive.
Someone far clever than me said if it start with an F then rent it, that is the cheaper option. I believe the Fs were Fly and Float, may have been another one ; but I have forgotten it.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rubato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2015 at 16:57

Richard - I have pretty much exactly the same as yourself right down the plotter (400e built late 2006, launched Feb 2007).

Swapping out the plotter is not a big deal, you can do it yourself. However, swapping out select instruments may be more difficult. As Gertha points out, the depth and speed transducers are not smart and do not plug directly on the network. If you want to keep these transducers, you must keep the Combi on the network as it takes the info and converts it to NMEA on the Simnet. (Note that a Triton display is "universal", you program each one independently as to what info it displays)

Also, a word of caution about software compatibility. I've tried to replace the wind sensor and keep the rest of the IS12 system. It didn't work due to software incompatibility and there is no software upgrades the IS12 stuff....

In the end, I've concluded that I can replace the plotter with a Zeus2 while keeping the rest of the system intact BUT if I want to replace something the IS12 group they either all change or I need to run separate networks.
 
Yes, the expression is if it floats, flys or f$$ks, it's cheaper to rent....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gertha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 February 2015 at 19:15
Steve,

Where is your problem with the wind transducer ?
I have a new masthead transducer IS20 B&G replacement and it talks to autopilot ,CX34 and 2 wind displays, plus read out on a Data and a Mega display, plus for good luck now have an IS20 Combi and this reads the wind mast head.
However I have a spare IS12 wind and this fails to show direction on display; but the digital readout is fine, had assumed problem on display but is it the problem you have ?

How could I forget the other "F" word !

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Hello everyone,
Really appreciate input from you all. Looks like I now own obsolete instruments and because the newer electronics are not backward compatible, it is going to be costly to fit out.
I need to be clear that the below deck components controlling my wheel/rubber do not need to be changed and from here, I have a tentative list of new parts needed:-
1. Zeus2 7 inch or Zeus 8 touch - throw out the CX33 - my C-Map Max with it.
2. H5000 Hercules computer
3. B&G autopilot controller not sure what part reference number but I am referring to the small compact one with no screen and just a few buttons.
4. Two Triton T41 units
5. Hope there are package offers that include or combine some of the above together with the correct transducer and flux gate compass.
6. Keep IS12 masthead unit and cable fitting for time being but throw out the cockpit wind display.
Does this look about right?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rubato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2015 at 16:49
Simon,
My problem, which occurs mostly in the winter, is that I get apparent wind direction but not speed. It isn't a problem with the IS12 wind as I get the same result looking at the data with the mega displays or the plotter. This has been a problem for some time now and a couple of years ago I borrowed a new masthead unit and had the same problem. Doesn't make any sense to me.
 
Richard,
I'm concerned that the IS12 masthead isn't going to be compatible due to old software. I'd check with Navico support to confirm one way or another. I'm also unsure if you need the H5000 Hercules unit if you have the Zeus2. I think it's needed if you want to run an H5000 race or graphic display. If in fact, a CPU is needed, why go for the Hercules versus the Hydra?
Steve

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gertha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2015 at 19:32
By luck I was in the local chandlery at the same time as the B&G man.
This is what I need to set myself up
Part nos 000-1244-001 B&G Zeus 7.2 this the latest model, I will use this to control a new auto pilot and look at all the info on my existing Simnet , will pension off one of my 2 CX34 screens, keep the other for existing radar and back up GPS. £ 866.00
Part nos 000-11101-001 AC12 P.Pack, this the latest low power autopilot computer complete with RC42N rate compass and RF25N rudder feed back ( this you may not need) depends on your rudder feed back £ 1135.54
This autopilot will be getting wind info from my masthead unit which is a new one ; but I asked the question and the answer is there is no reason why the old unit will not work.
Also I will have a "gofree" module, this will enable me to update charts on the Zeus where ever I am in the world assuming I can get a wifi link to a marina or harbour network.
Last a simnet to microc link to join the old to the new.

Steve , an observation, if the unit only plays up in the winter when cold; best you sail south in the winter.
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Hi Jusvu,

I have recently upgraded to B&G gear on my 2010 400, Zues9 plotter, 2 x Trition head units at either helm and 1 x autopilot control at either helm.

A huge step up from the Simrad gear which at best is average, not a simply swap out as you might think with a few issues as follows:

  1. all cables and system backbone are fine but new instruments have smaller plug, you need adaptors to step from existing cables to new Triton units.
  2. outside dimension of the Triton head units is 2mm larger than the existing Simrad units, if you are mounting them in the existing holes you will find the covers are to tight to fit. In my case i added autopilot control alongside 2 head units and had to remove the sides on the centre cover to get all 3 to fit.
  3. The speed paddle wheel fitted to my boat at the factory is hybrid unit, half speed and half depth, there is also a separate depth sensor fitted in the hull. I initially left the speed paddle wheel out and configured the plotter for SOG from the plotter. This created issued as the depth sensor half of paddle wheel skin fitting (now lying inside my hull) was still pulsing for depth signal and this caused the plotter to lose depth data regularly. Once i fitted the paddle wheel sensor back in the hull all was fine. 
I also fitted the gofree wireless unit, the sail steer technology, ability for any head unit to display any data, colour graphics and wide viewing angle make old simmered stuff look like black and white TV compared to high definition colour. Well worth the upgrade.

Stephen
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rubato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 March 2015 at 16:58
Stephen, a question of two for you:
- what Simrad instruments did you have, IS20?
- do you still have some of the old Simrad units on the network along with the new Triton?
- doesn't sound like you included a B&G CPU (e.g. Hercules) processor in your upgrade, is that correct?
 
Thx
Steve
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