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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JofB Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 June 2006 at 20:09

Having bought a 400e, it will be no surprise what my thoughts are!

We opted for the 400 (despite the extra cost) for that extra space to stretch and breath.  I am sure the 370 sails just as well (if a just little bit slower, Dominic ) but we felt the additional space for all the time you spend on board when not sailing made the difference worth it. 

Yes, the basic bits are the same, e.g. the heads, galley area and even the various lockers/cupboards but it is the extra room around them and on top of the cubboards, for instance, that is really useful, as well as the various hidden cubby holes for storage all being a bit bigger. 

Another major factor was the ability to choose the diagonal berth in the forecabin - much more user-friendly, in our view.  It is a really spacious cabin.

At the end of the day it always comes down to personal choice and budget.  Both are great boats that you will really enjoy.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote silversailor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 June 2006 at 01:20
Congratulations Jof!  I just don't think you can go wrong with either the 370 or the 400.  You made your decision for all the right reasons.  However, after sailing at 8.0 - 8.1 knots this past weekend, with no effort, I'll be hard to catch.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Clive Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2006 at 15:54

Well I've test sailed the 370 in winds varying from 0 to 16 knotts of wind upwind , off wind and down wind. My findings taking into consideration I competitivley race 505 dinghys around the UK and sometimes Europe so am very critical about sail set and performance.

Using the self tacking jib tacking closer than 30 degrees to the wind that 2 knotts of wind gave 1 knott of boat speed. (Very impressive )

Tight reaching also produced good responsive performance. However when broadening the reach the sail shape became dreadful, hence performance suffered. The remedy apparrently is to attach additional jib sheets and lead them to the main tracks, hence having contol over the jib leach & foot.

Fortunately for me but not so Paul the guy who was giving the test sail ther was a race near by with approx 20 boats ranging from 36 to 46 foot boats, we did not have a spinnaker so down wind we were poor but upwind we out performed every last one again very impressive. We were not subscribed to the race so I did keep a fair distance which ment having to put extra tacks in to keep out of there wind as we were about to overtake.

Under engines I was trying to find shortfalls. However this 370e had a kiwi prop and it performed extremly well giving 7.5k at 3000 revs sea state slight. Manouvering in the marina was a dream my 10 year hold daughter could have parked this.

All in all I was impressed enough to make the decission that the 370e is right at the very top of my NEED list.

Some other questions I would like help with is WHEN I buy the boat I feel that a good saving can be made by collecting from the factory. Having the fun and experience of sailing it back to Scotland. The agent tried indicating that there would not be a great saving because of cost incurred in getting to the factory etc. He also stated that he or one of the selling agents would need to go to the factory for hand over. Does this then mean I would be better of buying from an agent close to the factory? Is there a good saving and approx howmuch ? Indication of transport cost as been between 5 & 6 K. Would this be correct?

Finally I am told that if I ordered now I could get delivery late September,however reading on the forum and from my own business experience delivery times tend to stretch . I would reallistically expect late October to mid November COLD & DARK and not a good time as with all new toys we want to play with them as soon as we get them so I  thought that end March 07 would be the better option. Any thoughts

Regards Clive

 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote franko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2006 at 08:34

Clive,

Buy your boat from Griefwwald and pay the reduced German VAT. Only 1% difference for you. I did that with my 341 a few years ago. Of course Sweden is a lot closer than Scotland and we have 25% VAT!

However, buying from your UK agent makes it easier when you have warranty issues to resolve. (and you will have some). Hanse UK in the Hamble have a great reputation for after sales service.

If you do decide to collect from the yard I would be happy to help you deliver. I have sailed in and out of Griefswald several times now. My original home is W.Coast of Scotland.

Nice opportunity to cruise through the Danish Islands.

Good luck.

  

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Clive Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2006 at 11:38

 Hi Franko

Thanks for that and I will take you up on the offer of help on delivery. It would be a great opportunity to meet new self like minded people. Is there anyone else out there that would like to be part of the delivery

Regards Clive

 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote digme Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2006 at 14:06
Regarding new boats and European VAT it's important to check your local rules. For Swedish residents the rules seems to be quite liberal, but if you pay German rather than Swedish VAT the boat still has to live in Germany until it's considered to be used when you move her to Sweden. The reason I call the rules for Swedish residents liberal is the reasonably short period from delivery to "used", but don't count on HM Revenue & Customs to apply the same rules. (However, in my experience they're as friendly and helpful, so just ask them.)

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Dear all,

This forum is very enjoyable and informative. Also I want to buy my first Hanse. The Dutch dealer told me that if I would order the 430e now, it would be cheaper than after September. Prices would rise by 4-5%. He also offered a discount for displaying my boat at the Duesseldorf boat show. What is your opinion about that? Would you buy a Hanse from which you have only seen preliminary sketches? Should I also ask quotations from the dealers in the UK, Belgium, Denmark and/or Germany?

Many thanks in advance.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Clive Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 June 2006 at 12:23

Dear Alex

I was also told that there would be a price increase later in the year but if I paid the deposit then the price would hold as of the date paid. Also I was told that to pay the deposit now I would also get the Southampton boat show special deals.

Running my own business I like to deal locally so that issues that might arise can be dealt with face to face. A much better way of doing business. However I also get competitive quotes from other sources, with this information I then return to the place I would like to do business and negotiate. Usually a better deal is achieved

As far as fridges are concerned I do not have a clue.

I do not know your requirements. Mine is sailing performance firstly then Comfort . After sailing several types of boats I can seriously reccommend the 370e. Sailing with and without appoxy hulls I can also reccommend the eppoxy as the performance does not slip as the boat ages. This I would suggest would maintain a much better second hand value should you decide to sell down the line.

 

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As regards buying the new 430e one thing you should be aware of is that hull no 1 of the 370 was significantly different to later models.  Hanse added various things as a result of comments from the dealers and first customers.  This might apply to any new model.  On the other hand you may get it cheap to compensate.  You will need to think about which you prefer.

As regards buying abroad I would strongly recommend buying from Hanse UK.

Prime reason is that their after-sales service is first class.  As someone else said earlier, you will need it.  All new boats do. 

Secondly we looked into buying a boat in Spain where the VAT is lower.  But they wanted to charge more for delivery and had less items as standard.  Net result was about the same money. 

Thirdly, if you do buy through Hanse UK you can collect the boat anywhere.  If you collect from the factory then they will then not charge you for delivery.  We had our boat delivered to the South of France but bought from Hanse UK.  That way we deal with Hanse UK for service.  They arrange locals to do the actual work.

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Clive & Franko,

I notice you have both mentioned Scotland, and one of you has mentioned the West Coast. Dare I ask whereabouts ?  I am an ex-pat (not living in Mongolia, but somewhere near Sweden and Denmark....) and grew up sailing on the Clyde (Fairlie Yacht Club & Largs) and also sailed out of Oban for several years. Timeframe 80's and 90's.

Maybe we know the same sailing crowd.

Regarding the choice, the 370 is the correct choice (I am biased !!), for all the reasons mentioned on this thread. I have 40 donkeys and a three blade Flex o Fold, bought ex-factory for 60% of Hanse / dealer price.

Check out the 370 site / thread for tons of useful chitchat.

 

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