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    Posted: 19 October 2017 at 11:03
I am considering buying a 2015 mod 415. This boat has some cracks in the "wine cellar". See photos (that for some reason comes up up side down??). Should I worry about this, or is it quite normal? The boat is being sold by Mola Yachting who has been using it as a charter boat. Any thoughts on that?




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rock Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 October 2017 at 11:12
This is not normal.
Seems to me the boat has been subjected to abnormal forces.
The strongback frame has been glued to the hull, to break that bond is not easy.
I would check the keel and hull/keel connection for signs of grounding
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That is not good.  Avoid.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote redlion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 October 2017 at 11:46
It looks like it has grounded. I would not buy any yacht without a survey.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fendant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 October 2017 at 12:13
Sure the keel has had a hard encounter with something solid underwater. It will be very difficult and costly to restore the original structural integrity. I personally would not buy the boat. Be aware that you have to disclose the repair as well when you sell the boat in the future. Any buyer will ask for a hefty discount as it is not a accident free hull.

Did you ask Mola to sign you a non-damage/ no accident clause in the purchase contract statement ? Would they be willing to share all the end charter inspection  files since new with you ? For sure they must have recorded an incident during the end of charter inspection. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mr Bluesky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 October 2017 at 17:25
I know Mola Yachting, they are based on Rügen, Germany where there is a lot of shallow water. One of the guys there told me once if you haven't grounded a yacht you haven't sailed the Baltic. So as others have said it probably has been aground, and a survey is the way forward.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pokkalega Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 October 2017 at 03:54
Agreed that most posts above are probably correct. There is one other possibility , that the filler/bonding agent was too thick and had an uneven cure rate resulting the cracks.
It’s pretty easy to tell by grinding out the filler and see if they are only near the surface or not. Grounding usually results in stress cracks distributed over a larger area and typically focuses in the rear of the grid where the keel
Presses the grid vertically. At a minimum a complete survey by a competent surveying would be in order to even consider it.
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How does the area around the keel bolts joinings look?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Thalia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 October 2017 at 19:19
The area in the back of the keel looked fine. No signs of anything there. I have been assured by Mola's agent that the boat has not been aground. If this information is indeed correct, I am struggling to find a plausible explanation to these cracks. But, as so many here has adviced, I will not pursue this any further without a thoroughly survey by competent professionals.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Simon L Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 October 2017 at 10:34
Mola are only an hour's drive from the Hanse factory.  Why not ask someone from Hanse to give you a view?
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