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    Posted: 11 July 2018 at 10:48

Apparently I got bitten by the sailing bug again, and after briefly having to live without a boat I've lately been spending A LOT of my free time window shopping for a new one as well as diligently reading myHanse to get some understanding about what Hanse owners think about their yachts. Smile

A few unresolved thoughts: 

- A good dealer is key to a good buying experience, which seems quite intuitive. I've contacted the dealer here in my country of residence (Finland) a few times, but haven't yet received any of info that I requested. Is it possible to make the deal with another dealer within the EU? I guess it should be in the spirit of free movement of goods/services within the union, but I suspect that in practice it isn't due to close cooperation with local yards (or actually being both dealer and yard)?

- I see a lot of posts concerning snag lists, poor build quality etc from ten years ago. What is the current situation? What should I expect in terms of problem fixing after the yacht is delivered? I assume everything is better now Big smile

- We're a family of 2 + 4 children and want to cruise in the Finnish archipelago as well as maybe take the odd trip further to Gotland etc. Maximising cabin space and minimising draft we're looking at 348, 388 or 418. As my previous boat was an IMX-38 (which was a joy to sail!) it would be really nice to have a boat that at least theoretically has roughly the same performance, and this narrows it down to 388 and 418. They both look beautiful, have only a small difference in draft, and I am having a hard time figuring out whether the actual difference in performance and space is large enough to justify the increase in price and maintenance costs.

- We're big fans of the light "scandinavian" (IKEA? Big smile) interiors. It's a very fresh move away from the "dark cave" look of more seasoned yachts. Still, in the second hand market most Hanses come with the classic mahogany furniture and floorboard. I wonder why? 

- Lastly: we're not buying this boat for a lifetime, but rather as a few years project until we're ready for the next one. With this in mind, it would be good to select options that won't affect the value of the yacht terribly negatively when we eventually want to sell it a few years down the road. Any help relating to this is much appreciated Smile. I think we won't change our minds about the mahogany furniture, but what about teak/synthetic teak/no teak at all? Anything else?


Thanks for your comments and here's to hoping that next summer we'll be able to contribute to this forum as actual owners in addition to being the dreamers we already are Beer

Cheers,

Mikael Lönnroth



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If you sailed x-yachts IMX38 and now want a short keel version I think you will get very disappointed with sailing performance but enjoy the high living comfort.

I had x-79 and changed to Hanse311 and now got a Hanse370.
Even with the 1979 design x-79 jib/genua tracks were spot on. Have never heard about an x-yacht that had to move it's tracks. This forum is full of these stories. Long story short a similiar sized x-yachts (mayby except xc-line) will outperform any hanse yacht.
Dehler is more like x-yacht.

Btw. There are a lot of Hanse 370 out there with bright color interior.
Like this one 3 cabin that has already improved jib tracks :-)
Going secondhand you will see that the previous owner has fixed a lot of issues. (One item of caution is the yanmar SD50 saildrive, I desided to avoid )

/H8jer


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Thanks for your comments!

And no, not the short keel version, the normal one. IMX-38 draft was 2,11m and although not that short, it wasn't too much of a problem in the archipelago. Hanse 388 normal keel is 2,06m, so that should be ok.

Before the IMX I actually had a Dehler 34, and that was fun too Big smile

Thanks so much for the link! I found a few other nice boats there as well! Are there any other sites you can recommend for used yachts within the EU? I've located yachworld.com, theyachtmarket.com, blocket.se in Sweden and nettivene.com in Finland.

And thank you for the other comments as well. Going second hand would mean we might be out sailing already this year, which would be a definite bonus!

/Mikael
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Thank you, h8jer!

Found a couple of really interesting 415s. 
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I received the first offer for a new 388 a couple of days ago. Below is the list of options I specified. Appreciate any feedback on whether something important is left out or something ridiculous included Smile

Intended use: summer sailing in the Finnish archipelago with the occasional trips further within the Baltic Sea: Estonia, Åland, Gotland, mainland Sweden, Denmark ... Two adults and four children would live aboard for a few weeks at a time. Day sailing outside of the vacation season. 

Quote XW2000 B&G Navigation Package (early-bird)
XW3000 Cruising Package (early-bird)
XW4000 Performance Package (early-bird)
XW3002 Upgrade - Stainless steel anchor with chain
XW4001 Upgrade - Secondary Winches
XW4100 Gennaker Package
XW5000 Comfort Package
XW7000 Entertainment Package
XL2002 B2: Saloon with short L-galley, dining area on stb and sofa on port - separate head with shower stall on port (only with XL3002)
XL3002 C2: 2 aft cabins with double berth and storage space (only with XL2002)
XL7200 Chart table lowerable and seat in saloon convertible into double berth
XL7601 Worktop in galley - Seashell White
XM1101 Furniture - Canadian Chestnut
XM1161 Cupboard fronts coloured (partial as per design - colour selection)
XN2002 Upholstery - Valencia (colour selection) 
XN2500 Cockpit cushions (colour selection)
XC1333 Teak on helmsman seats (only with XC9060)
XC1350 Teak on bathing platform (only with XC6001 or XC6002)
XC4001 Gateway stanchion
XC6001 Bathing platform, manual fold-out with swimming ladder (only with XC1350 or XC1351)
XC9060 2 helmsman seats, foldable (only with XC1333 or XC1334)
XC9161 Anchor and forestay fitting with double mooring roll incl. gennaker/crossover eye
XE2001 Lazy bag with lazy jacks (colour selection - not with XE1001)
XE2012 Sprayhood with stainless steel stake, 3 windows (1 openable - colour selection)
XF4500 B&G 4G Broadband Radar (only with XF4000, XF4010 or XF4011)
XF4600 B&G AIS Class B transponder (only with XF4000, XF4010 or XF4011)
XG1001 Engine (Diesel, approx. 29 hp) - saildrive, 2-blade folding propeller
XG3101 Bowthruster, 12 V, retractable, incl. battery
XH2201 Inverter/charger, 12 V / 1600 W - 60 A, incl. AC panel (only with XH1001)
XH4011 Heating, hot air with blowers in saloon and master cabin (not with XH4511 and XH4514)
XH4022 Outlet for heating in aft cabins (only with XH4011 and XL3002)
XC3001 Cockpit table, stainless steel with folding teak tops 
XV9120 Cockpit table cover (colour selection)
XV9130 Cover for steering wheels (colour selection)

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That's a long list$$LOL

If U are going to Denmark a Fenderlist might save the hull from some scratches for pole-harbouring.
Also a ForwardScan transducer showing depth for the Zeus3 would be hard to retrofit.

For higher resale value I would AVOID Teakdeak and
Coloured hull.
/H8jer



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Originally posted by H8jer H8jer wrote:

That's a long list$$LOL

Yes. Sigh. Confused

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If U are going to Denmark a Fenderlist might save the hull from some scratches for pole-harbouring.

Yes, we have those here in Finland also. 

Quote Also a ForwardScan transducer showing depth for the Zeus3 would be hard to retrofit.


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Quote For higher resale value I would AVOID Teakdeak and
Coloured hull.


Yes, thought the same. 

The bow thruster is a small question mark. I have never had one but I am all for technology that makes manoeuvring easier (I think the trend away from sailing yachts towards motor yachts is something that needs to be reversed Big smile). What I do worry about, though, is the door. A few threads here mention the door falling off as well as not closing tightly. Is this something that has been resolved in newer versions/installations? 

I do think a bow thruster is a plus in resale value, but don't know. 

Thanks again for your comments!


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When sailing x-yacht I thought bowthrusters were for beginners.
BUT then I got a Hanse with extreme high hull sides...
We are so glad for the thruster. Many harbours in Scandinavia are very narrow and in holidays very crowded.
You don't want do be without it.

Selling a Hanse without bowthruster would be harder because the buyer will press the price down.
Once saw a secundhand Hanse offered with two prices with/without thruster installed by the owner. The difference was 15.000 euro.
Retofitting anything in a Hanse is very hard because of it is built with hull, inner-shell and deck joined AFTER they got outfitted with plumming, wireing etc.

I have a 2008 max compact retracteble and has only had a temp sensor problem, due to design error. Factory recommanded to cut a wire :-) and now it works fine.



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The list looks ok for me:
 
Do NOT order the lazybag and sprayhood from Hanse, they supply a inferior quality. I would get them made locally in Turku with high quality sunbrella.

I would add three things for a better resale value, which are very hard to retrofit:

a) 2 electric winches
b) retractable bow thruster
c) Teak rub rail


The 4th idea:

Think about having your dealer adding a bow sprit platform from Batsystems Sweden with integrated bow ladder. Otherwise you will not be be able to moor bow to, as is usual in Scandinavia.




Edited by Fendant - 27 July 2018 at 09:21
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