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graemefromdownu
Captain Joined: 01 July 2009 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 217 |
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Posted: 25 July 2017 at 09:11 |
The 470 is a very good choice, I still have a 461 and that was superb on our journey Spain to Polynesia over 4 years. Main difference between two is the higher quality of finish (real wood!) of 461 and there are two proper seats at the stern, one behind each wheel. These gave you extra storage as well as much more comfort on watch. Storage is also better. We only had one huge wave come onboard over the stern in the whole trip (North Atlantic gale), and it drained out within 30 seconds. A/Con - we have 2 systems, one hidden inside the panelling of the main cabin, the other under the port bunk. Two x240V pumps through through-hulls in bilge. Watermaker - Spectra Newport 80l/hour. Under the owners cabin bunk. Drew about 30A, reliable, efficient. Filters needed looking after but in tropics you get lots of microbe growth. Autopilot - we have Simrad units plus Lewmar Mamba drive. Big beast of a motor & gearbox, handled nearly everything. Because we have solid rod steering (470 as well?) you MUST keep the ball joints and cups lubricated (marine grease) and keep an eye on the bevel gear steering gearboxes. They can lose grease and become stiff. Easy to access above stern bunks by removing ceiling panels. Winches - if you have electric Lewmar winches, BEWARE! They have an Italian bevel gearbox (out of a tractor) which dries out and seizes up. Every 5 years I undid our winches and worked on the two gearboxes,repacked all the grease. If you don't it will cost you a lot of money to replace new gearbox. I also fitted a grease nipple to both for ongoing maintenance. Sails: Most of your sailing is downwind. We had a twin headsail made in Spain before we left, we hardly used our mainsail all the way. Good speeds, little load on your boat, safe up to about 25-30 knots, then just furl in to where you are comfortable. http://www.cruisingworld.com/double-your-downwind-fun-two-jibs Electricity - fitted a small 6kW 2 cylinder generator. Needed care, they all do, but easy to manage. Solar Panels - Had a large frame the width of the stern made up in Spain 45mm s/steel and mounted 2 x 250w solar panels fed through an MPPT controller into 740 aH battery bank. Covered us probably 90% of the time, only had an issue when we used the autopilot all night when weather was contrary. Same frame also held our life-raft, ready to fall straight over the side if needed. Navigation - DO NOT TRUST your charts in and around San Blas, Panama, Columbia and Galapagos. When you reach Trinidad look in chandlers for "The Panama Cruising Guide" by Eric Bauhaus. Without it you will end up as one of the skeletons on the reefs around the San Blas Islands (up to 4 a month!) You can get a digital form of the charts that will run under CMap in Columbia from Felix Malo (find him in the market) or if you PM me I can post you a DVD with charts and you install them onto your essential laptop with a GPS dongle. This was our backup nav system. Storage - plenty under the bunks and bilges. We carried 6 months supply. The whole boat was divided up into underfloor spaces, cupboards, under bed storage, lazarette. Every space was defined for example in the main cabin a grid of 5 wide (1,2,3,4,5 and length A,B,C,D,E,F,G). We purchased an App called My Boat which allowed us to create all these squares then list the contents inside. Did the same for every cupboard, under every bunk etc. Food like flour we put into supermarket bags and used a bag sealing kit to add extra protection - kept everything fresh. We used sealed plastic boxes in every space, especially the bilge. It worked, we only lost a bit of flour and pasta in the ones next to the mast foot. Fuel (420l extra) was carried in those 25l square drums that can be obtained from Car wash places, farmers etc. 4 on each side tied up front (board attached to two staunchions then drums tied to this). Rest laid out in lazarette. Still room for lots of other stuff in lazarette. Also carried 2 x 25l petrol drums in bow anchor locker, next to the drain holes, plus 3 x 25l water drums tied to binnacle / cockpit table. Anchor - if not already fitted, buy a 32kg Rocna, you will need it. Other - We carried a Canon Multi printer along with plenty of cartridges. Good for scanning documents, creating documents, forms, copying all in the name of officialdom. Food - Supplies from UK (lots of M&S), Spain, Las Palmas are safe. Cape Verdi 70/30. Trinidad 50/50 keep watch on flour, oats, cereals for Weevils. Colombia, Panama, Galapagos 20/80 enjoy your weevils. If you empty the flour into a big bowl, sit it on your cockpit table for an hour sitting in another larger bowl of water , all the weevils will climb out and drown. Problem solved! You cook the rest, and anyway what do you think happens in every restaurant you go to from Trinidad onwards. Tahiti is safe but then you pay 5 times the cost of Panama. Hope I covered some of the ground, enjoy the trip. It will change you, guaranteed!! |
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Justine
Sub Lieutenant Joined: 22 July 2017 Status: Offline Points: 1 |
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We have a 470 but before we sailed on a 461 with friends . As they stopped manufacturing the 461 we bought a 470. These boats are alike for sailing but there is less place and strorageplace on the 470 and the length
Kitchen is more convenient. The engine Yanmar 55cv is enough (7.5 knots at 2100 trm) ours is 3500 hrs without any problem. The look of the 470 is nice with the open cockpit but it dangerous for children's and it is not uncommon that a wave rises on bord by back. Moreever the two backChest are really big and useful. We have still problems with holding portholes on the hull and we always look at them Of course you need a water maker because, we have a 60 l/h and its is enough. Hanse are good boats, well built, we really love our boat but for us we are sad that they stopped the 461 to answer to the marketing laws. Have a good trip with your next Hanse, the other brands are only |
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Point bleu
Sub Lieutenant Joined: 17 July 2017 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Hye
The boat is 2006 I Think it is one of the last built number 77 in Époxy and iron frame She is well equiped with new sails, watermaker, storm sail etc and a lot of new things. She is ready to leave If you are interested, send me a mail so I send you all the documents And pictures Best regards Eric |
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Point bleu
Sub Lieutenant Joined: 17 July 2017 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Hye,
I think you sent me me a private message but I can t read it You can join me Mail. ranchoneptunopuerto@gmail.com Phone. 0033 0676411595 Best regards Eric |
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bovine
Commadore Joined: 18 November 2007 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 405 |
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Are you sure this is a 2015 boat, I honk Hanse stopped building this model in 2006 / 2007
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Point bleu
Sub Lieutenant Joined: 17 July 2017 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 3 |
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Hye
The 470 is a Nice boat, but n my opinion it's too much open behind and you loose place instead of the 461. I am the owner of a 461 and I shall sell it in October. The boat is built in 2015, the engine is 1200 hours, the sails are new. The boat is in very good conditions And we have change a lot of things We sell it because we shall buy an Amel 54 Now we are in Greece and we come back to Corsica in September and in France in October as we live in Mexico It is a broker who will be charge to sell it, If you are interested I can send you pictures and inventory. The boat has been seen by an Expert two month ago Best regards Eric et Florençe Hanse 461 Point bleu Doo |
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Alain & Anne
Rear Admiral Joined: 13 December 2005 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 539 |
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Hi Booboo,
I could not speak on behalf of 470's owners, but I ave some experience with Hanse 430e which is smaller but not too far. We did complete a circumnavigation between 2008 and 2016 and logged some 45000NM or so with this beautiful Judel and Vrolik design. If you are looking for a serious sailing boat, go for it. If you do prefer a more cruising-caravanning orientated boat other option could be preferred. On confort side, our 430 is equipped with a Mase 3,5kVA genset, Dessalator 60l/h Duo water maker, Candy 3,5Kg washing machine. All of them worked well with no serious issue. Regarding the sailing options, we have fitted the following: 3rd reef on the main (63m2 on the 430), 13m2 trysail with dedicated track, 15m2 staysail on a king rope removable forestay, 85m2 Code 0 from DP, 130m2 gennaker, all the halyards and sheet are made with spectra/dyneema; I fitted a pair of runner. The Hanse 430e is a very good sailing boat, easy to manoeuvre in any conditions we have had; fast and safe as long you are not trapped overcanevased! We two (Anne and me) sailed most of the oceans passage with an average of 170/180 NM/D. We did sail the south Atlantic Ocean down to Patagonia, with a return trip from Ushuaïa to Falklands,, then after Chile Eastern Island and the French Polynesia we sailed sown to New Zealand. We left Opua on the 29th of April 2015, and we reached Richards bay in south Africa end of November. After a few month break in South Africa we sailed the Island from Capetown to Azores, through Saint Helena, Ascension, Cape Verde, and reached Les Sables D'Olonne in France on the 10th of July last year! For reliability and confort I fitted a second autopilot and an Hydrovane self steering system with worked perfectly. The Simrad electronics worked and are still working with no particular issue. Of course like most of the reasonably priced production boats, many details are missing, handhold, lockers, and they are short of convenient storage, but nothing which could not be modified at any time. The only real backward came from the lost of the port hull window which happened some 200 milles from New Zealand in Novembre 2013. I think you could always make a good sailing boat, a good cruising one!! If you need or want more information and a deeper insight on our preparation, please let me know. Godd luck Alain |
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jeancharleb
Captain Joined: 12 December 2008 Location: Marseille, Fr Status: Offline Points: 316 |
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I have a 470e 2010
The only quality in you're choice is that you will get to you're destination much faster then the one you mentioned The 470 can be equipped with Dessalator in Spain in Dania at very low cost. I suggest a 12 v 230 volts 100 l/ hour. You can install it behind the the coach on port side. 470 is rigid iron framing under the floor to hold that crazy mast. There is no fun storage in the 470 except the floor panel which is big except if you have a generator will be on port side and if you have air conditioner it will be on starboard side leaving no more space except under the trap. À Dufour 485 is a better choice because German Swedish English manufacture use less the common equipment. On our 470 we had to change: Generator bad installation sea water ran back to motor Chart plotters ( Simrad) and radar un- réparable. Victron multi plus un reparable 1air conditionner more expensive to répare then replace. F you want an advice, you should buy an Ovni 43. It will do you better in all points except great speed unless you get tri radial sails Sorry to disappoint you |
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gertha
Admiral Joined: 03 June 2004 Location: Pinn Mill Status: Offline Points: 1036 |
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Hi,
I have migrated from a 370 to another make of boat; we sailed 2 atlantic circuits together and if the 470 is like the 370 then you will not need much fuel, the autopilot can hang on until the squalls arive ; but what boat can sail through a squall . Watermaker I would buy in Gibralter and save the VAT, you will not need it untill after Canaries. Boat ownership and Spanish law and VAT, all make sure you get it sorted, arguing with Spanish customs could be hard work. I know a solicitor in Palma if you are stuck. Personaly sailing with a young family, in what will be two handed sailing, I would go with a heavier boat with less canvas. But that is just my opinion. Simon |
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sailkoop
Commadore Joined: 02 September 2010 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 437 |
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Hi BooBoo,
I sailed my Hanse since 2011. We are a Family alltogether 3 People, my Wife, my Daughter and me. The 470 is a real Sailing Boat with a high Level of Sailing Area. Therefor you need to be a Sailor. I never have had a steering Issue, but ihr you have to much Sailng Area upwind, as weil as downwind the Boat goes her own Way. Space for watermaker is nicht Issue. You find it underneeth the Flor or in Front of the Sterring System. I baught the boat to Go Around the World, when I get the time..... |
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