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Kolbjoern View Drop Down
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    Posted: 22 July 2010 at 13:55
I am considering putting a generator into my Hanse 461. Potetially as well a watermaker.

Have any of you made such installations and do have some experiences to share? What brand did you choose, and why? Any other things I should pay attention to?

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Last winter I put a generator, watermaker and inverter onto my 430. results are brilliant and change the way you use the boat. Much more flexibility to go where you want and not worry about filling the tank every few days - especially with children on board. Running costs and maintenance issues are tiny. I went for a package supplied by Advance Yacht Systems in Southampton. Paguro 3000 generator, DUO 60 watermaker running on AC and Studer XTM 200-12 inverter. The inverter gives you continuous AC power 24/7 from the batteries. It also acts as a power manager when you are running the engine or generator. eg if the power load is high (water heater, watermaker, hairdryer etc all running) while you are running the generator it will draw battery power to make up the shortfall. As the load reduces it will automatically use the spare generator power to charge the batteries. This allows you to get away with a smaller generator.
 
Generator fits in stern lazarette, watermaker is under the front bed and inverter under the port side chair near to the batteries. All very neat. Duo watermaker is a very simple construction and very simple to use. Takes about 30 seconds to fire up and can be run when either the engine or generator is running. We tend to make water while motorsailing.
 
Contact is Rob on +44 2380337722. They have installation agents in various countries.
Peter Wood. Hanse 430e 'Harry'. Hamble, England
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Thanks a lot! Your input is very valuable.

I already now checked out the products you are proposing, and they all have local dealers here in Oslo.
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I've got a 320 so I don't think the generator will find a place in my boat, however I will definitely fit a mighty 2600 watt inverter (I had it before I bought the Hanse) and an additional 300-400 ah battery bank...I just like to always have a powerful AC...you can use any microwaves, coffee machines, TV/DVDs and so on...not to mention the possibility to quickly drill holes, polish something even if you don't have a shore power nearby...the one I will be installing is a Charles quasi-wave which can also act as a sophisticated battery charger...I hope to be able to cope with the demand by installing a bigger alternator, a solar panel and possibly a wind/water generator...

As for the watermaker - there's also a possibility to fit a DC 12 or 24 volt system capable of producing of up to 50 liters/h of crystal clean water...
One of my friends has a Nautilus system on his beneteau Oceanis 42 and is absolutely happy with it...the only drawback is that it set him back more than 7000 euros Wacko...well he travels a lot with big crew so I guess he needs it...
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Uhambo is fitted with MASE IS3.5 230V generator set, 480AH battery bank and 2000VA MASTERVOLT inverter. We have a DESSALATOR DUO 60 watermaker.

The genset is installed between the rear cabins, the watermaker is under the front bed and the inverter on the port side beside the battery charger.
No complain  all atafter 2 years and 15000 miles at sea.
Uhambo is now in Ushua´a.

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We added a small watermaker in 2006.
Katadyn Pure 80E only produces 15 litre sper hour but we run the engine 3 hours each day to recharge batteries (8 x 80 ah + 1 x 120ah) so use same period to produce 40 litres. Sue and I consume 35 litres per day for cooking / showers etc.
Got it stateside for $2,500 and it's not missed a beat in 4 years.
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Hi again Harry,

What is your experience with the sound (noise) level of the generator?

I know it is a subjective question, but still .... :-)

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The Paguro generator is fairly quiet unless you are trying to sleep in the rear cabins. We tend to run the generator whilst sailing. You can feel a vibration but don't hear much. As an idea of usage, in six weeks living on the boat since end June we have used 63 hours of generator time and 72 hours of watermaker time. That's around 100 litres of water per day on average not including some fills at marinas. I would say we are fairly careful on water usage but it just seems to get used up - especially when children are on board!
Peter Wood. Hanse 430e 'Harry'. Hamble, England
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we have the gen option from Hanse its 4kw 220v 50 cycle and runs very quiet same as said before rear cabins will pay for noise if somebody is sleeping but if you close the cabin doors you could have a quiet diner while working the gen is Fisher Panda. I will choose next year the desalinator same as uhambo took.
If you choos to install an arch ( davit) like I did you can install 2 solarmodule of 230 watts each. With that and a 1000 watt battery reserve almost no need for genset!!!!

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