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John Allison
Rear Admiral Joined: 23 November 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 742 |
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Posted: 26 July 2005 at 10:25 |
As there were very few 461 owners using this site I will not reload the copious pics and note on finishing off our 461 earlier this year. But if any new owner - or potential 461 owner - wishes to see anything we did please leave a posting asking such and I'll try and retrieve what's relative from my files. We are still cruising on our 461 in the Med - our blog is at www.yotblog.com/swagman Cheers JOHN
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Eternal Flame
Captain Joined: 15 December 2003 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 253 |
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John it is a pitty that you do not put your beautifull pictures again on this site. They gave us a perfect view of the inner of your ship that did not look as a ship but more as a penthouse! Frank -Eternal Flame |
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John Allison
Rear Admiral Joined: 23 November 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 742 |
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Hi Frank, Back now in the UK and due to return to the office next week. As I've said - if any new 461 owner needs to see what we've specifically done to improve Swagman (well - in our eyes an improvement) - we can reload the required pictures. As a summary of the tips we would happily pass on to any potential 461 owners - we had issues that with some prompt help from Hanse UK - were solved nicely:- 1. Water getting into fuel via stern mounted fuel breather. Tips and pictures on cause / new cover / restrictions on draining pre-filter etc. 2. Chafe on headsail sheet via mast sheave and our use of outhauls to headsail when reaching. 3. Overhead handhold in saloon. A top job by Hanse UK. 4. Steering postion footbraces in cockpit. 5. Installation of second top loading fridge and its effectiveness. Another top job by Hanse UK. 6. Electrical charging issues under motor with the 60 amp alternator and 700 amp total capacity. Have now wiring diagrams for 461 which we can share. 7. Production of other stainless steel products at the Hamble. Drink holders / bino rack etc. 8. Our installation of spinnaker and gear v the cruising chute recommended by Hanse (they were right - we were wrong). 9. Replacement of starter motor on Yanmar 75HP engine due to restricted access. 10. The inability to withdraw the log impeller from inside on forward master cabin version of 461. Creates the need to dive to clean off growth etc. If any individual wishes for more info on the issues and solutions on any of these 10 - please do not hesitate to email us directly. Cheers JOHN Edited by John Allison |
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Steve
Lieutenant Joined: 03 October 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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John, You seem happy with your 461, but could you use it as a blue water crusier? I'm looking for something that will cross oceans comfortably and survive storms. Would the 461 do it, or should I stick with the established blue water cruisers? I aslo wondered about the 400, but maybe that's too small. There are 3 of us and each need a cabin. |
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John Allison
Rear Admiral Joined: 23 November 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 742 |
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Hi Steve, We've found the 461 to be a really strong build and almost noiseless down below in a blow. Worst we've hit was F8 for more than a day and the boat was really good. No issues at all. I assume the epoxy build plus the steel frame does a lot to keep the boat very rigid and the sails well set, but the shape does not lead to the kind of slamming one might expect. I think a test sail will show this to you. The 461 cuts into bigger seas nicely. And if it really blows (we start at approx 18 knots true - 25 apparent) provided one just keeps pulling in more sail as the winds build (and that's very easy from the cockpit single handed) you'll find the 461 just continues to steam to windward. That would give me comfort on a long passage as I know I'd be in much earlier than any slower craft. Reaching or running at all angles she surfs away nicely but well under control. I personally love this point of sail in a blow, finding it much safer than being overtaken by big following seas. She is not tiring downhill - very responsive and easy to balance - and if once in a while she is overtaken - her high volume aft lifts her tail nicely. If you see our blog we've already taken ours from UK to Med and this spring / summer aim to go onward to Turkey then down the Levant coast to Cairo. I will be expecting gales for our delivery trip from Mallorca up the Agean - and we'll do that with a crew of 3. I am biased as I've bought one - plus I prefer fast yachts as they allow one to run away quicker in the event of trouble - and the lesser time on long passages obviously reduces risks. But I'd have no hesitation in taking her out in a real storm as she's a very solid yacht - which also turns heads like no long keeled cruiser ever could. Good luck with whatever you choose - I'l be expecting a drink from Peter Thomas for this rave review on the 461. JOHN
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Steve
Lieutenant Joined: 03 October 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 44 |
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John, Appreceated the speedy and helpful response. I took a look at your blog - the fuel consumption trials were particularly interesting. So thanks for your help - if I go with Hanse I'm sure Mr Thomas will see you right.
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Loek
Sub Lieutenant Joined: 26 October 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 10 |
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John Allison
Rear Admiral Joined: 23 November 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 742 |
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Hi Loek, Got your inquiry via the yotblog site but seems you do not provide any email address through which I can reply directly. If you clarify what info you want via this forum - or indeed email me directly - I'd be more than happy to provide whatever feedback I can. JOHN john.allison@erauk.net
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John Allison
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Hi Loek, Thanks for the email via the site - I've put the responses to your questions on here just in case they are useful to others. You asked about: (a) Water getting into fuel via stern mounted fuel breather. Tips and pictures on cause / new cover / restrictions on draining pre-filter etc. On our model the breather outlet was the same flush style vent used on all the tanks - but it wa smounted on the port hand side of the transom - directly under where any deck water flowed off the port hand side of the stern. When pounding to windward and taking lots of deck water and with the engine running - the 'waterfall' flowing over this flush breather was sucked back into the breather pipe. As that pipe was mounted quite high in the lazerette - it did not have enough space to be fitted with a high 'gooseneck' and the water was therefore sucked back into the tank. We resolved the problems by simply adding a small Plastimo cover over the original flush vent - and have had no problems since. Hanse were made aware of the design / layout fault - and I suspect they've improved it on later models. (b) Chafe on headsail sheet via mast sheave and our use of outhauls to headsail when reaching. The self tacking headsail sheet comes out of the mast and down through a stainless steel mast fitting and then to the car on the track. That mast fitting is a custom made fabricated part with the bottom exit 'rounded out' (like a bell). On my model this rounding out was simply not enough - so the sheet when we were reaching was wearing against the sharp stainless edge. It began to wear away the sheet in several places - and can be resolved (if Hanse have not already resolve dit themselves) by removing the fitting - then bending the exit so it is wider - and replacing. Sorry - I've not a picture. (c) Overhead handhold in saloon. We find the open space in the saloon possibly dangerous in any big seaway - so purchased one of the standard 461 Hanse Handholds (one is fitted alongside the forward door) and had it fitted to the cabin roof over the chart table. It now allows us to move around down below without having to rely on the furniture to keep us upright! (d) Installation of second top loading fridge and its effectiveness. We wanted a second ice box but our order was placed to late to have this factory fitted into the galley. Once the yacht arrived, we decided that rather than lose Galley cupboard space, we'd have our added into the port aft cabin. It is simpy a 40L top loading ice box - we've fitted the compressor inside the engine room right behind the adjoining wall - but built in and covered. We made the cover to fit the complete space so it also creates a second storage comparmtent we use for flares etc. The complete unit closed acts as side table to those people using that cabin - and the ice box is easily reached from the Galley when needed. Hope this is useful Cheers JOHN |
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