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    Posted: 15 June 2017 at 02:22
Hi Guys, Im pretty close to purchasing a Hanse 470 in Europe with the plan to sail it down to NZ with the family over the next 2 years.
There are a few options on the table but we are close to a private sale of a boat in Palma. 2008, loads of brand new new gear (instruments, sails, generator, aircon) but no watermaker or solar which we would need to get added. But the price is right and its a very tidy and well maintained boat with a professional full time skipper. We really like the look of the 470.
Anyway just a few questions on upgrades, alterations and systems on these boats and what things to look out for.

Is a watermaker easy enough to install, IE is there a place suitable or is it a bit of a drama? I have many mates in Palma who can help with this so its not a problem getting it done just trying to think about where to put it ect.

I have heard from various people that the boats have some steering/contol issues downwind in waves, pretty prone to loosing rudder grip/rounding up. Is this true and if so is it a major problem and is there an easy way to fix this (rudder modification?). Can Auto pilots handle the boat in most moderate conditions and are the boat very hard on the autopilot gear?

Has anyone tried to put an additional bunk in the aft cabins on top of the shelve? We have 3 kids so would like to have that bunk option to make room for other crew for passages.

Both water and fuel tankage seems small. The watermaker should take care of the water problem but I guess just 10 jerrycans will have to do for the fuel. Thoughts?

Any other ideas as to how to make these boats more suitable for extended offshore cruising or warnings about potential issues to watch for?

Lastly do you thin the hanse 470 is a good boat for a 13,000nm passage over a few years with 3 young kids?
We have also looked at Dufour 485s and beneteau oceanis 46s.

I have a heap of experience offshore, over 125,000nm ocean sailing (mostly racing but also heaps of deliveries and cape horn, alaska cape of good hope ect) but my wife hasn't, she is a very good sailor (past NZ womans champ and been 2nd at the world champs before) but just hasn't been offshore yet. kids are also very experienced in coastal cruising and have been on boats their whole life. 3 boys 4, 7 and 9 years old.
But as a family we are relatively inexperienced at offshore cruising. 



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fendant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 June 2017 at 05:05
Hi Booboo,

I cant't comment on the 470 specifics. Hanse, Beneteau and Dufour are all good quality, maybe Hanse is a tad stronger.
If you want to buy the boat in Palma I strongly suggest that you engage a competent Spanish lawyer, who will guide you through the Spanish contract law. it certainly has some pecularities.

Good Luck






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I appreciate that you are probably looking for the adventure of sailing back to NZ, but if you wanted something closer to home, I know of a well cared for 470 in Fremantle, WA which is looking for new owners.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sailkoop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 June 2017 at 16:20
Hi BooBoo,
I sailed my Hanse since 2011. We are a Family alltogether 3 People, my Wife, my Daughter and me. The 470 is a real Sailing Boat with a high Level of Sailing Area. Therefor you need to be a Sailor. I never have had a steering Issue, but ihr you have to much Sailng Area upwind, as weil as downwind the Boat goes her own Way. Space for watermaker is nicht Issue. You find it underneeth the Flor or in Front of the Sterring System.
I baught the boat to Go Around the World, when I get the time.....
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gertha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 June 2017 at 08:45
Hi,

I have migrated from a 370 to another make of boat; we sailed 2 atlantic circuits together and if the 470 is like the 370 then you will not need much fuel, the autopilot can hang on until the squalls arive ; but what boat can sail through a squall . Watermaker I would buy in Gibralter and save the VAT, you will not need it untill after Canaries.
Boat ownership and Spanish law and VAT, all make sure you get it sorted, arguing with Spanish customs could be hard work. I know a solicitor in Palma if you are stuck.

Personaly sailing with a young family, in what will be two handed sailing, I would go with a heavier boat with less canvas. But that is just my opinion.

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I have a 470e 2010
The only quality in you're choice is that you will get to you're destination much faster then the one you mentioned
The 470 can be equipped with Dessalator in Spain in Dania at very low cost. I suggest a 12 v 230 volts 100 l/ hour.
You can install it behind the the coach on port side.
470 is rigid iron framing under the floor to hold that crazy mast.
There is no fun storage in the 470 except the floor panel which is big except if you have a generator will be on port side and if you have air conditioner it will be on starboard side leaving no more space except under the trap.
À Dufour 485 is a better choice because German Swedish English manufacture use less the common equipment.
On our 470 we had to change:
Generator bad installation sea water ran back to motor
Chart plotters ( Simrad) and radar un- réparable.
Victron multi plus un reparable
1air conditionner more expensive to répare then replace.
F you want an advice, you should buy an Ovni 43. It will do you better in all points except great speed unless you get tri radial sails
Sorry to disappoint you
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Hi Booboo,
I could not speak on behalf of 470's owners, but I ave some experience with Hanse 430e which is smaller but not too far.
We did complete a circumnavigation between 2008 and 2016 and logged some 45000NM or so with this beautiful Judel and Vrolik design.
If you are looking for a serious sailing boat, go for it. If you do prefer a more cruising-caravanning orientated boat other option could be preferred.
On confort side, our 430 is equipped with a Mase 3,5kVA genset, Dessalator 60l/h Duo water maker, Candy 3,5Kg washing machine. All of them worked well with no serious issue.
Regarding the sailing options, we have fitted the following: 3rd reef on the main (63m2 on the 430), 13m2 trysail with dedicated track, 15m2 staysail on a king rope removable forestay, 85m2 Code 0 from DP, 130m2 gennaker, all the halyards and sheet are made with spectra/dyneema; I fitted a pair of runner.
The Hanse 430e is a very good sailing boat, easy to manoeuvre in any conditions we have had; fast and safe as long you are not trapped overcanevased! We two (Anne and me) sailed most of the oceans passage with an average of 170/180 NM/D. We did sail the south Atlantic Ocean down to Patagonia, with a return trip from Ushuaïa to Falklands,, then after Chile Eastern Island and the French Polynesia we sailed sown to New Zealand. We left Opua on the 29th of April 2015, and we reached Richards bay in south Africa end of November. After a few month break in South Africa we sailed the Island from Capetown to Azores, through Saint Helena, Ascension, Cape Verde, and reached Les Sables D'Olonne in France on the 10th of July last year!

For reliability and confort I fitted a second autopilot and an Hydrovane self steering system with worked perfectly.
The Simrad electronics worked and are still working with no particular issue. 
Of course like most of the reasonably priced production boats, many details are missing, handhold, lockers, and they are short of convenient storage, but nothing which could not be modified at any time. 
The only real backward came from the lost of the port hull window which happened some 200 milles from New Zealand in Novembre 2013.
I think you could always make a good sailing boat, a good cruising one!!
If you need or want more information and a deeper insight on our preparation, please let me know.
Godd luck
Alain


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Point bleu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 July 2017 at 14:03
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The 470 is a Nice boat, but n my opinion it's too much open behind and you loose place instead of the 461.
I am the owner of a 461 and I shall sell it in October.
The boat is built in 2015, the engine is 1200 hours, the sails are new. The boat is in very good conditions
And we have change a lot of things
We sell it because we shall buy an Amel 54
Now we are in Greece and we come back to Corsica in September and in France in October as we live in Mexico
It is a broker who will be charge to sell it,
If you are interested I can send you pictures and inventory.
The boat has been seen by an Expert two month ago
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bovine Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 July 2017 at 19:27
Are you sure this is a 2015 boat, I honk Hanse stopped building this model in 2006 / 2007
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Hye,

I think you sent me me a private message but I can t read it
You can join me
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