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    Posted: 28 August 2018 at 16:03
Hello,

due to my very limit experience with a self tacking, can someone provide some advice?
I notice on my last sailing that the head sail as flapping a lot (difficult not to notice...) i was closed hauled, i would say, about 45-50 AWA.
the upper part of the headsail started to flap a lot. i tried to winch and get the headsail down a bit but it didnt solve it.

that trigger me a few questions:

1) how to do trim the headsail? i am curious to know how much tension you have on it after unfurl it? can you leave it lose (for a broad reach?) or should be tight most of time? i was watching some hanse promotional videos and some generic youtube, seems that everyone have it very tight.
2) i realize after the sail was over that the leech line was loose. so i guess the flapping was due to that. but that leads to my question. does the leech line really fix the flapping?
3) On the self tacking itself: would you cross the english channel only with a main and self tacking jib?
4) barber haul: i know that this could be useful, but anyone really use that for a laid back/relax cruising?

I love the self tacking, as i mainly sail together with a VERY inexperienced crew (and dont have 20k miles myself either). i am just curious how to make most of it?

thanks for any tips or help!

Luis
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You may find you need to alter the hole in the clew board that you attach the sheet to. If you move the sheet to a higher attachment point this should help keep the leech tight.
You should also use the leech line as this will reduce flapping.
Of course the self tacker is fine for cross channel, although in light winds (12kts or less?) some sort of larger (code zero, asymmetric) will give more speed.
Off the wind I often slacken the sheet and control the sail by another line which I lead through the centre cleat. This reduces the twist in the sail.
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In light airs the boat feels very underpowered with the self-tacker on my 400. A full Genoa makes it better balanced and faster. The STJ has some advantages for short-handed sailing, especially in rivers etc. At +18kts AWS thereís little need to reef it on my 400 as you need to reduce main to keep the boat balanced so the upwind range of the sail is great. So I have to decide which sail to load initially. Itís not great downwind and the use of Genoa tracks or barber hauler is needed for sanity and to protect the end stops if you have to fly it downwind. All that said, it can be made to work and Iíve done a 3000Nm delivery trip with the only foresail choice being the STJ (on a 575). If you can afford it, then add to the sail wardrobe. If not, learn to love it for what it does well and just create a downwind sheeting solution to assist.

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I use a barber hauler system on the self-tacker jib on my Hanse 341 all the time.  OK, I know I come from a dinghy racing background, but when I am sailing my yacht I am completely in laid back cruising mode and normally just sailing with my wife.  

I described the system I use on an earlier thread.

http://www.myhanse.com/controlling-the-jib-downwind_topic10476_post88093.html?KW=barber#88093

The barber hauler lines are rigged up permanently and on your yacht they could run through leads mounted on the stanchions. So all I need to do is clip the snatch pulley on to the relevant barber hauler control line and then on to the jib sheet. For me it is just so simple to adjust the jib sheet and if it has been a major adjustment, I just change the barber hauler setting as well.

I have talked with Inspiration Marine, (Hanse agent in the UK) on this topic querying why Hanse could not offer some form of barber hauler system as an option.   They said they have assisted other owners in installing some form of off-wind jib sheeting system and that they do know where you can attach fittings on yachts that do not have a slotted toe-rail like my yacht.  
Martin&Rene Hanse 341 Dipper Wheel steering, 3 cabin layout & shallow keel, normally based in Scotland
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