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    Posted: 13 January 2014 at 03:25
Hello all,

I was wondering if anyone out there's tried to heave to on their 385's? I know this is easier on some yacht than others.

Any advice or tips on how she handles this would be great.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Persse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 January 2014 at 05:11
I can't answer the question but I have been wondering about this myself for some time. 

This is what I intend to do. Rig a sheet to the jibs clew to back wind it. Set a reefed mainsail and 

lock the wheel over to leeward and see if I can find a good balance as I believe there a times 

when heaving to is invaluable.

I would be very grateful if anyone could contribute on this.

Phil O 







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There is a lot of talk that Hanses don't heave to, but I have managed to heave to in my light weight 301.
I amnot sure if any of you have heard of a Paul Heiney, a well respected reporter and South Atlantic sailor, he also manages to heave to the Lin and Larry Pardey way from their book "Storm Tactics", I have to say he does not have a Hanse but another modern light weight yacht.
So my suggestion is to buy the book or preferably the video and practice.
I would like to point out that I am not linked in anyway to the Pardeys.
Anyway make your own descision on this as it is and always be a contentious issue.
   
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Persse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 January 2014 at 08:34
Interesting Dave, I did not know about the talk of Hanses not heaving to. 

However the Pardeys' technique is as an alternative to running  under bare poles and is a tactic 

for severe conditions. I have the kindle version of their book and everything they write is 

interesting and worthwhile. I doubt though that you would rig up all that gear of parachutes and 

lines etc. except in very bad conditions and you were sure that it was the right tactic for your boat.

Experienced as they are their vessels are the antithesis of a Hanse style boat. I know if I had a 

yacht like theirs I would be sailing alone! My first mate loves our comfortable and sleek beauty.

We do sail however in the changeable and difficult waters of Bass Strait in Southern Australia, its 

one major characteristic is that of endless big swells coming from the deep southern seas. 

Being able to steady the boat to make repairs or have a rest would be a good option to have.

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Do you mean how do you stop the self tacker tacking?
 
I asked the dealer to pop a ring on the ends of the track, so i can tie the clew or the car to either end if i need to.  I think Ti the 415 here has them too.
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Good idea about the rings. 

I hope that somebody gets out in a storm and experiment. Won't be me. Just got our yacht Amity into the 

calm of Port Phillip this weekend so it will be a lot of civilised sailing over the next few months.,


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Yachting world has some you tube video on heaving too by Skip Novac, I think the instructions in that video will work on the 385 it is a well balanced boat. I have been in rough seas with Revelry and she is not easily knocked about.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote panos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 January 2014 at 01:35
Originally posted by holby holby wrote:

There is a lot of talk that Hanses don't heave to, but I have managed to heave to in my light weight 301.
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Dave


As One of the "talkers".

I wouldn't even try to heave to.

This tactic is only meaningful to heavy full keel boats. It works as follows:
1) any forward motion is brought to a complete stop taking the waves from the side. (50-80 degrees)
2) the heavy hull acts as a breakwater and flattens the sea to its leeward.
3) the boat drifts (makes leeway) and moves over the just created flat sea enjoying calmness.

Referring to light boats like the Hanses:
1) it is very difficult to balance them to point exactly where they should to stop the forward motion because they lack a long keel, they accelerate very fast and every wave will move them around. They will escape very easy from the standstill and continuous skipper intervention is needed to stop the forward motion.
2) even if they succeed to stop moving forward (for a few minutes) they cannot act as a breakwater just because they are very light and they don't have any latteral surface under the waterline to stop the waves. The waves will just pass under the bottom and the boat will move violently.
3) because of point #2 there will be no flat sea to leeward

IMHO there are only to ways to handle really big seas: fight (slow upwind sailing against the waves with deeply reefed main and no headsail) or flight (run downwind with enough sail up to keep a planning speed and control). I prefer the second solution and only when out of searoom the first. One could theoretically deploy a sea anchor from the bow and take the waves head on, I personally never tried it nor ever owned a sea anchor.


I would NEVER expose a boat with a free hanging rudder to waves arriving from the side. It is DANGEROUS!



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I don't expect to heave to in bad weather, perhaps I should have said so. I might want to heave to from time to time when single handed to do something. I just decided its better to be able to than not, for example heaving to whilst we sort something prior to a race. My bad weather tactics are

1 not to be there,
2 run
3 deeply sea brake, the Aussie drogue
4 go upwind with a reefed jib or storm jib

Most of the time in Dubai 1 and 2 work, I'll only use 3 and 4 when we start cruising home.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 January 2014 at 07:40
One of the problems when heaving too in a Hanse that no one has mentioned is the flogging mainsail
On my last 2 long keel boats if I backed the jib it would keep slight pressure in the main so it did not flog
With my Hanse it wants to keep luffing as it is so unbalanced. This means that the main flogs for a short while. The same happens, but more so when just letting the main out & having no jib set

People say that a boat hove too should be stationary. I am inclined to disagree. On a long keel boat the rudder is supported for its full length by the keel. On a Hanse there is no support so structurally it is at a disadvantage. If one thinks what happens when one motors in reverse fast in a marina one will notice ( well with a tiller he will -not sure about a wheel) that immediately the rudder goes out of line it will slam hard across the line of the boat & often jams against the stops.
Imagine in a gale this happening if the boat were to be pushed back. The rudder could be lost. So i feel that whatever system of surviving heavy weather is used the water flow should always be encouraged to flow from bow to stern over the rudder
It is for this reason i do not agree that a drogue over the bow ( & to a lesser extent stern)  is a safe solution for a Hanse
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