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    Posted: 12 April 2017 at 17:51
Sold a year ago 370e and looking now 2013-345 with furling mainsail + jib. In 370 I had six sails among others code 0 which made boat quick even in light winds.

Today mainly operate single handed, so the smaller more modern Hanse feels like a good idea :)

Fortunately this 345 has also genoa and code zero both on furler.

Question: Does it go anywhere with furling main + jib, sail area?

Can two additional sails make the boat at least a bit exciting?

I have been viewing also Sun Odyssey 349's - fascinating boat as 345 is more to back basics, if you know what I mean.

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Hi Mikki,
The answer will be a 'compared to what?' The 345 is designed +/- as a family cruiser ... easy to handle. And that whats she doing perfectly (and why I bought her). However I was surprised how fast the ship can go in light wind situations. I started with FTL sails. Furling jib but standard main ... but after a while I started complaining about the jib re the poor downwind performance. After a year I got a Code 0 and now it feels much better. Still surprised how often I reach 6-7 kn (close to hull max) in light wind conditions. I would say with your Code 0 and a Genua the boat is perfectly equiped. With the Code 0 up you will see me with a constant smile in my face.

But I have no idea about the impact of the furling on the main. Was never a fan of furling mains. The standard with lazy bags is for my opinion also easy to handel (even single handed).

But as said in the beginning ... it is always a 'compared to what'... I can compare the boat only with Bavarias and Sun Odyssey of the same size in Charter settings. In this competition I am more than happy with what I can realize with the boat. But she was never designed as a racer ... .

Best wishes from the front cabin ... lazy in Barcelona,
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Hi Armin,
 
Thanks for your input, valuable information and luckily the boat I am looking at has the genoa plus code 0. I don't like the folding main either but when buying used one cannot be too picky.
 
One more negative. Boat has shallow keel 1,59 m. How much negative effect on tacking and otherwise?
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fendant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 April 2017 at 22:12
Hi Mikki,

I have a 345 with shallow keel and FCL sails, no furling main, just lazyjacks.
Main and selftacker is indeed a challenge in light winds > 6 knots. So I invested into a furling gennie ( appprox 70 m2 ).

This gives you the performance in lighter winds and downroad. The gennie is good from about 50 to 150 degrees. For tacking you need to furl the gennie in and unfurl again. Even singlehanded this is doable.
I often get the speed of the wind. Above 8 knots I prefer the self tacker close hauled.

Normally I am a tad faster than a Bav 34 close hauled. Downhill I eat a Bav for lunch with the gennie.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rubato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 April 2017 at 16:39
Furling mains are generally smaller and less efficient than a standard main. Wouldn't think one would need one on a 345  - lazyjacks are fine for the size of the regular main.
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Hi Steve,

I fully agree but because not that many used 345's are available I have to accept both furling main and shallow keel, neither one I like. Otherwise boat is fullly equipped with "everything" and the price is in line.

Fortunately genoa and code 0 are in the package.

Here I am trying to get an idea how much I am losing in performance and how well that sacrifice is compensated with two additionals sails ( I haven't purchased the boat, yet.)

How terrible would be the cost to replace the mast with ordinary one with lazy jacks etc.? New main sail costs some 4000 euros.


Edited by Mikki - 17 April 2017 at 21:20
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rubato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 April 2017 at 21:19
Understood. I wonder if you really have to change the mast or if there is a way to fit a track (like the StrongTrak for example). Not that you want to buy a new mainsail though I'm sure.
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That track fitting might be a good idea in other words modify the existing mast + new main sail. Genoa gives at lest 5 square meters more (vs. auto jib) which is approximately same as lost in furling main.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2017 at 08:06
Is the mast on a furling main much heavier than a standard mast? Presumably if you use a different track system you can remove the torque rod etc to lighten the weight aloft. Would you  be able to get fore & aft  bend in the mast as with the standard mast to trim the mainsail. ( You cannot when used as a furling one I am told)


Edited by samuel - 18 April 2017 at 08:06
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brufan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2017 at 12:43
If you want to swap the mast for a classic one, the standing rigging won't probably be the same.  The boom must be changes/modified as well to cope with (automatic) reef lines, then the deck hardware must be extended for reffing lines.
A lot of work and spendings to be done...
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