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I had a problem the last 2 sails with getting the Jib furled correctly. I found that I needed the winch to bring in the sail. A friend on my last trip noticed that the Jib Halyard was lower then it should have been. We then noticed that the Halyard was actually wrapping around the guy wire. We returned to port and review of the furler indicated that the halyard was preventing the furler from working correctly at the top. We actually needed to untangle the Jib Halyard to lift the Jib. The furler should be within 6 inches of the mast top. Note in the picture where the Haylard was crimped around the furler plate. After we reset the Jib, I did not have any problem bring in the Jib. It was tight but I could do it without the winch and a simple strong pull. I think I would like to increase the diameter of the furler line though just to make it easy to grip.

 

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My furler is also too heavy. I haven't figured out why yet.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote christian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 June 2007 at 00:16
Never use the winch.
You might twist the wire out of the terminal.
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lukemi,
 
Your jib halyard is rigged wrong.
 
It should exit at the very top of the mast on one of the sheaves there, then be led down the mast front through the two bulls-eyes, then around the black round disc pictured (this is your wrap preventer by the way), to the jib's head.
 
Not sure what the exit sheave you have used is for but suspect it is the pole topping lift for the spinnaker.
 
Anyone else agree?
 
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With regard to my above posting - when I said "around" the wrap preventer (black disc with holes in it), I don't mean wrap it around it. Instead lead it over the disc. Once your jib is fully raised and the head of the sail is closer to the wrap preventer, it acts to prevent your halyard from being able to wrap around the forestay.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Junker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 June 2007 at 09:06
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I'm not sure if your theory is correct.
If the jib halyard is supposed to be the way you describe, where should the spinnaker halyard go?
I think it shoud go from the top trough the bulls-eyes.
It need to be higher then the jib halyard.
 
(it might be something i can't see on the picture!)
 
Agree??
 
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I'm with you Rune - it looks correctly rigged to me.  The jib halliard should come into the foil/top swivel at an angle as is shown - this stops it getting furled.
 
Bob, (371-#235) Sounds like you are hoisting your jib on your asymmetric/spinnaker halliard.  Pole top lift is much further down the mast - usually in vicinity of steaming/deck lights
 
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Originally posted by Scorpio Scorpio wrote:

I'm with you Rune - it looks correctly rigged to me.  The jib halliard should come into the foil/top swivel at an angle as is shown - this stops it getting furled.
 
Bob, (371-#235) Sounds like you are hoisting your jib on your asymmetric/spinnaker halliard.  Pole top lift is much further down the mast - usually in vicinity of steaming/deck lights
 
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Ed,
 
I stand corrected. You're right. Was going from memory. My 371 is spinnaker equiped and the spin halyard exits at the top of the mast, then runs down to a bullseye at the jib head point on the mast.
 
There is still something wrong in the picture above, however. It looks like after the halyard exits the mast it goes under an eye strap or something similar. On my last boat the halyard went under a similar strap as a wrap preventer, but it isn't necessary to do that on these boats since Facnor uses the black disc to prevent halyard wraps. It could be that by running the halyard under this eye strap it leads the halyard in the wrong direction and causes the problems.
 
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As long as you keep tension on the halyard it shold not be a problem
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When you're starting to sort out any furler issues it may be a good idea to start reading the instrructions first. Wink  If you've got the Facnor furling system, look up http://www.facnor.com/. (However, you should note that some of the graphics in the manual refers to a typical masthead rig rather than the fractional on Hanse 370.)

On my boat there were two furler issues. The guide wires on the furler drum weren't properly adjusted and the guide block mounted on a pulpit leg was installed in a way that caused chafing. 
 
When choosing whether to run the furling line on starboard or port side, you may have to consider if it will interfere with the gennaker downhaul as well as any anchor hatch issues.
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