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    Posted: 18 January 2017 at 12:01
Hi Folks

We're looking forward to the coming season and to putting our new H345 through its paces.  Only short test sails so far.  In those short test sails I have found that the two winch system just about works, but that the various sheets, halyards and furling lines do get very congested and confused around the winches and stowage bins.  As delivered the jib furling line just passes through a series of stanchion mounted fairleads back to the cockpit and there is no provision for jamming it (either when furled in port or when using the Furlstrom, or if reefed).  The winch can be used but then this is needed when using the gennaker or upwind port mainsheet.

Some kind of jam cleat is the easy answer, but before buying and fitting one, I would be good to know what other owners have implemented.

A second related question - to ease the congestion - has anyone put 'halyard' bag pockets on the inside of their dodgers?

Fairs winds . . .  Paul H245 #269 Aeolus
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote charentebob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 January 2017 at 18:38
When we bought our 415 the curler line went through a turning block with a clam cleat shackled to a pad eye on the gunwale act of the main winch. This then is lead to the winch. However it is difficult to uncleat as the angle to achieve this is not easy especially under load. I've decided to install a rope clutch on the gunwale forward of the winch & this should be much more practical & easy to use.
Hope this idea is of assistance to you.
We don't have rope bags as you suggest so can't comment.
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When I use the gennaker I have a single block with cleat fitted to the padeye on the port side which serve the purpose.
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Just put a normal block on the puschpit (the metal "eye" cloose to deck) and then a standard jammer on the deck. The furling line should go thrue the jammer, to the block and then to the "genua" winch (I'm not sure if the 345 has genua winches or sheet winches close to the helm position, but any winch will do). I have this setup on my H400 and had it on my H371 - worked well! 
 
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Hi, we had the same issue on our 345. I have mounted a jammer on the gunwhale for the furling line.
The gunwhale laminate is very thick and I used self tapping screws and of course Sikaflex at the jammer base. From the jammer the furling line goes to a solid block mounted to the pushpit and back either to the main or genoa winch. I have difficulty to furl it by hand, so I use a winch.
 
The jammer only prevents the unfurling of the jib. I do not use it to reef the jib and would use the genoa/gennaker winch for this purpose. My main reefing is with the main.


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Hi,

I have used a single block Selden 50 with a camcleat. See picture. The load for releasing is not so big.


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Hi All
I first tried the Selden Block with Cam Cleat but found that unjamming the cleat was a challenge if the jib was tight.  I have since gone back to the original Selden and fitted a Spinlock Clutch on top of the 'toe rail' just in front of the block and it works perfectly - this is definitely the best solution.  FYI & thanks

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Thanks, for the update.

I have just made 2 modifications to my jin sheet arrangement:
a) I have connceted the jib to the sheet without a block at the jib. Before the sheet went through a block and back to the car on the rail.
2) I have replaced the factory fitted 12 mm jib sheet by a 10 mm braided dyneema line ( Liros Dynamic XTR ), which is much smoother.

As a result I cam now furl in the jib by hand :)
 
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Originally posted by Fendant Fendant wrote:

Thanks, for the update.

I have just made 2 modifications to my jin sheet arrangement:
a) I have connceted the jib to the sheet without a block at the jib. Before the sheet went through a block and back to the car on the rail.
2) I have replaced the factory fitted 12 mm jib sheet by a 10 mm braided dyneema line ( Liros Dynamic XTR ), which is much smoother.

As a result I cam now furl in the jib by hand Big smile
 
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