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    Posted: 11 June 2018 at 08:20
Hi,

This weekend I did my first real regatta with my boat.  And it perfomed well compared to other boats in our class (we ended as 2 in our class in Færdern).

But one ting I miss is a better "feel" of the boat going upwind through the forces in the wheel.  Even with several degrees of counter rudder the pressure is non existent.  If i let go of the wheel the boat will not turn up as it should, even when pushed quite hard.

I used a 140 % genua and the original main from 2006.  The rig is recently set by North Sails, and looks fine to me.

Any suggestions?  I get approx 30 degrees apparent on both starboard and port tack - guess thats OK with my old sails.  Speed is as expected.
Stein-Erik Carlsen

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Assuming nothing is wrong with the linkage and that everything is free-running I think you will have to accept that the Hanses with wheel steering have less rudder "feel" than one might want. At least that is what I have done. My previous boat had a tiller and I will admit that made steering a joy. My new 315 has two wheels that are super smooth, but robs me of a proper tactile feel for how the boat is sailing. Today I rely more on my instruments, polars and tell-tales than the feedback through the rudder. It takes some of the je ne sais quoi out of sailing, but it sure is comfortable for cruising.
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Hi,
I had the same feeling in 2012 when we bought our H400.
Compared to my old Comet 375 I had the same feeling of lacking rudder pressure. It took nearly 6 month to get used to the balanced rudder.
The sailplan is designed and balanced for self tacking jibe and the huge main. In this configuration you´ll have a stronger rudder pressure.
My G1lightwind is 155% and with this sail the H400 has a perfect balance and you need only a few degrees rudder to go fast. If we have for races an experienced helmsman steering, it takes him some time to adjust to this low but sensitive 145cm Wheel.
Rudder pressure is stronger with the self tacking jibe and the G3.
After I got used to the wheel > I really love it
Klaus
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Another one who likes to soft response from the rudder is the autopilot.
He needs less power > less energy consumption.
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