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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CharlesP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 March 2013 at 16:21
In difficult conditions of big seas with strong winds I would have a long sail tie or two to very quickly wrap around the sail (and boom),as it is dropped. I can then attend to the zip whenever I want. It seems to me that Samuel's idea of chord loops and balls is an improvement. I think I would keep my zip starting from the boom end.

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Edited by CharlesP - 23 March 2013 at 17:31
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 March 2013 at 17:02
Originally posted by CharlesP CharlesP wrote:

Is the picture of your fastenings ok Sam? I think I would have had a bungee loop on one side and a bungee ball on the other. You seem to have threaded one length of bungee.

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It is not bungee but cord
Actually i have refined it since the photo
I now have. Loop 1 side & the ball the other
There would be no point in a bungee as it would stretch & be too long the length is critical
The length of loop & cord is slightly less than the distance across the zip
Once the loops are done up the zip parts have no weight on them & once started they can be zipped up with one hand
I found that before i needed 3 hands. 2 to pull the 2 parts of the cover together & 1 to slide the zip along
Bit like going on holiday when trying to get everything in the bag!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Juno Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23 March 2013 at 17:23
I don't have to bother with sail ties or bungy and bails because I have fitted Crusader Magic Stack where I can pull the sail down and it automatically flakes down into the bag, even on a broad reach.
You can read more details on Crusader"some web site.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Colin Fisher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2013 at 12:42
Hi Samuel...Your system of a loop and ball sounds very simple and effective , I will be certainly trying it.     Another simple idea is to have a short line attached to one of the backstays , this can be easily tied to the end of the boom which prevents the boom swinging about as you do anything standing on the coachroof.      If I was having a new stackpack made I would certainly request reinforced attachment points for the webbing and also ask for stainless steel rings instead of the plastic ones !!   With regard to the zip starting it from the mast end would mean it was open ended and involve carefull alignment of the two halves....a recipe for frustration and eventually perhaps broken teeth on the zip.Lots to think about. !!!!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2013 at 15:33
Originally posted by Colin Fisher Colin Fisher wrote:

Hi Samuel...Your system of a loop and ball sounds very simple and effective , I will be certainly trying it.     Another simple idea is to have a short line attached to one of the backstays , this can be easily tied to the end of the boom which prevents the boom swinging about as you do anything standing on the coachroof.      If I was having a new stackpack made I would certainly request reinforced attachment points for the webbing and also ask for stainless steel rings instead of the plastic ones !!   With regard to the zip starting it from the mast end would mean it was open ended and involve carefull alignment of the two halves....a recipe for frustration and eventually perhaps broken teeth on the zip.Lots to think about. !!!!!

You are correct about the line to the backstay. I do have one.
In fact i prefer to do this up as soon as possible.
I am always worried that if the topping lift slipped undone the boom could hit someone on the head.That is another reason why i do not over tighten the mainsheet

I do not understand what you mean about doing up the zip.
Surely it is easier at the mast than standing on the seat with no support trying to locate the zip on the outer end of the boom.
Problem is that when single handed i only want to go forward once. Not back & forward to do zips & clips etc


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Colin Fisher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2013 at 17:44
Samuel the standard stackpack which came with my 2007 400 zips from the outward end of the boom and the zip has a "tail" which extends about 20 cm. This means that the
slider is always attached to both sides of the zip. I cannot see anyway that a tail could be incrporated at the inner end.

Regards Colin. P.S. The tail of my zip was pulled down into one of the reefing sheaves recently and got stuck and damaged...I make sure now that the tail is kept clear by fixing it about 20 cm up the topping lift with a cable tie
             Incidently I have found cable ties very handy at fixing the mainsail.onto a replacement sail slide when the old one fails (A total of 6 have now failed!).
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2013 at 18:05
So you do not totally unzip the cover
My cover is not long enough to do that
But if it was I could see it getting into the reef lines as it has for you
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Peter Russell Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 March 2013 at 19:23
As an update to my earlier post.

I've just had a new bag made by a local sail maker for my 370. After the winter it had to go back for some remedial work and I just picked it up this weekend. It has good quality webbing and stainless rings.

Now it also have PVC reinforcing where the wind has caused it to chafe.
The zip is done up from the boom end and the zip extends by around 20cm so that there is room for the reefing lines to go to the end of the boom without staining the zip and it allows a relatively easy closure rather than struggling trying to get the zip ends aligned. I have a separate “nappy” at the mast. I’m not too sure about it at the moment, but it does mean that there is no flapping fabric when sailing. The nappy is zipped at the front of the mast and I don’t think this is a very good idea. The zip comes down and it is difficult to get it started whilst clinging onto the mast standing on the steps and the boat is tossing around. I’d rather have it done up from the bottom or have a lacing arrangement using hooks.

Alongside my brand new main sail (which I’ll report on when I’ve sailed it) I’m a happy teddy bear.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jeancharleb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 August 2014 at 12:46
Personnaly i would exchange my mast with full baten
3 reefs for à furling mast anyday.
3 reefs to take is to much for husband and wife
Cruising. Dont need the speed, boat is to fast anyway.
I Sail in the Med probably explains also.
Lazy bag was almost finished after 2 years now 4
It needs to be replaced, the original was really the most basic ( cheap) that exist
I am shure.

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