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    Posted: 24 August 2010 at 19:42
We have a 461 and I want to fit two lee cloths, one on the edge of the double bed in the forward (owner's cabin) and another in the  main cabin along the edge of the sofa.  When we are on longer trips it will allow me or other crew members to sleep within easy reach of the cockpit at night.

Anyone any suggestions without disfiguring the cabin?  I had wondered about a steel railing that could be attached to the sofa frame under the cushions when needed and came up about 12"with either cloth or extra horizontal bars to stop the sleeper falling out.
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Hi Graeme,

Often when I am out of ideas I get a couple of quotes done by the specialists in the trade - it costs you nothing but you get the benefit of the experience of the people proposing the design.

We utilised some bolt-rope tracks screwed into the base of the settee and had the lee cloths made with bolt ropes on the bottom. We then screwed two small stainless steel eyes into the hard points where the trim runs fore and aft on the cabin deckhead and we tie the lanyards from each end of the lee cloths onto these to hold it up. We looked at using a system with bars in it but thought them too awkward to stow.

Hope it is of some assistance,

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote landlocked Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2010 at 00:31

I made a lee cloth for the salon bench in our H400.   I don't know how our layout compares to your 461, but maybe some aspects of this design will be useful.

 
 
When not in use the cloth can be folded under the cushions or unscrewed (unsnapped) from the plywoood seat.
 
I put some pockets in the cloth to keep things like glasses in so you can find them again when you wake up at 3am to go back on watch.
 
I haven't used this a lot but it has worked for me in overnight races with people climbing in and out regularly at a good angle of heel. 
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When designing lee cloths I would suggest you consider how you fix the top edge
If you use ropes or strops the cloth will move to the shape of the person when he/she rolls against it- this can be more comfortable
However, When a  boat is rolling in a sea one cannot stop oneself rolling about one would be constanly  waking up
On my 311 the cabin bunks are straight & I have lee cloths that just hang down in front of the bunks with a bar in the top edge. The bottom edge of the cloth is screwed to the top leading edge of the bunk behind an aluminium strip.
To set them I just hook the bar into cups each end. This is the quickest way I could find to fasten them & if one is tired & possibly a bit seasick one can get into bed quickly
We do not remove the back cusions if under way & the crew just wraps themselves in the duvett & puts a double layer where the bar meets their rear end. This way one is wedged in & gets a better sleep.
 
My lee cloths are only about 150mm above the cusions. This is not ideal but as I sail single handed I can get out of the bunk quickly in an emergency by just rolling over the top. Vertical cords woud get in the way & a higher lee cloth would be harder to get over
 
On a 311 if the cloths just hang down the bar on the port side could swing away from the bunk face when the boat is heeled & the lee cloth is not in use. This means it can swing infront of the forward cabin door & lock it shut. To stop this the bar on the port side is cut to fit between the architraves of the door & the chart table so it is held tight to the bunk face & does not obstruct the door
 
Lee cloths are very handy on a 311 as on our boat the starbord one is always set when under way & the crew can stack their "day bags" on the bunk without them getting slung on the floor when the boat heels.
As an aside -- By having "day bags" if you want , say, a towel or a jumper quick, you can have them in a small bag rather than your main bag & get to the item quickly & back on deck without suffering seasickness when down below. If they were in a bag in one of the bins it would take some time to retrieve an item
 
I think from the above everyone will see that we all suffer really badly from seasickness on our boat !!!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote HanseU Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 May 2012 at 20:33
Samuel, do you have any pictures of your lee cloths?

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Edited by samuel - 19 May 2012 at 20:30
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Sorry abou the 3 sets of entries I could not post as one
The pics show the setup
Mine are a little low but I have like that  because being single handed I have to jump out a bit sharpish sometimes . Ideally they should be 150mm higher
the strap is only for heavy weather
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The cloth hangs down when not in use & the bar is cut to fit tight between the architraves each end to stop it swinging out when the boat is heeled
 
 


Edited by samuel - 19 May 2012 at 21:13
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