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    Posted: 15 March 2009 at 15:30
Hi all,
 
Me and my girlfriend are considering buying a boat for living aboard. The choice stands between Hanse and Jeanneau. Right now, we are hoping to get either a Hanse 470 or a Jeanneau 50DS.
 
Comments? Pros? Cons? Ideas or other thoughts? All ideas are most welcome.
 
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This  question was asked by someone else very recently.  Take a look at this: http://www.myhanse.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=2773  
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Hi Colin,
 
Thank you for the quick response! I have read this thread and found it interesting. The thing is that it discusses Hunter and some Dufour issues, but not Jeanneau, which is a closer competitor in my eyes.
 
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When we bought our boat (2005) we looked at Jeanneau.  We chose Hanse because 1. nicer design (very subjective) 2. better value 3. better build quality. 
 
On 3 you will need to compare yourself on current building practices as these things change.
 
1 and 2 depend on what you are looking for.  For the pure "live aboard" aspect there isn't much major difference between the two.   Everyone on this forum will tell you the Hanse sails much better - with good reason, not just because we own them.
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Hi Colin,
 
You are right about the design, both the exterior and interior of the Hanse is not only more aesthetic, but also more modern than that of the Jeanneau, which looks very 1990s. Both me and the old lady agree on this.
Also, when it comes to functional design, we have a feeling that the slightly smaller storage compartments of the Hanse will still suffice for our needs.
 
As for the value, I am not 100% sure. Some examples which are of interest when living aboard: What washing machines do Hanse owners use - I don't believe that I can get any pre-fitted? What about tumble-dryers? I understand that the freezer mentioned in the other thread is now something which I could get as an option. What about extra large septic tank and water tank, is that something anyone on this forum has experience of building or ordering? How fast does the Eberspršcher heat up the warm-water tank?
 
Lastly, the build quality... This is the toughest part for a guy like me with limited knowledge. The sandwich hull of the Hanse is of course very attractive, but on the other hand; I am told that the Jeanneau has a just-as-good carbon-fibre reinforced hull on their larger and more modern boats. I really don't know what to make of knowledge like this!    :-/
 
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Hi Christian,

 

From my perspective (note all below is purely my opinion for what it is worth!) I was in a similar spot a few years back I wanted a boat and didnít really know where to start I looked and everything. I wanted to cruise and race a little though so bare that in mind. Anyway I was always under the impression that the markets view on quality went something like Bavaria, Jeanneau, Beneteau, and then Hanse, clearly these are some of, if not, the largest production boats out there. This is pretty much what I still think but I think the lines between the latter three start to blur on a few fronts. As you mentioned Jeanneau are using carbon reinforcement, Hanse have an integral steel frame that takes the loads and are/can be built in epoxy, something that a highly reputable X-yachts made famous and desirable. Beneteau have copied lots of Hanseís new innovations and the first range of boats are still a considerable foe on the race course.

 

But what I think is important to understand, get your head around, or make a decision on, is what value each manufacturer places on different components of the boat. I.e. if a standard boat cost $100 how much of that is attributable to each key component, is it something like 25% hull, 25% rig, 25% interior and 25% for the company. I think youíll find if you ask around that Hanse is well and truly in favor of the hull (Iíd go as far to say 50% could be hull alone) and rigging and less so on the interior and this is the area of craftsmanship and design that comes under most fire. To my mind though this is changeable and will evolve as and when I choose, the rig will be changed every 10 years anyway but the hull is a much bigger investment.

 

So where the lines blur, Beneteau seem to be the most accomplished production builders getting more right the first time, a function of having be doing it on that scale for longer (IMHO!), Jeanneau seem to have some very live-aboard friendly interior designs on the larger DS models, i.e. larger cookers, bigger fridges, more conventional storage etc but this is, letís face it, great for the charter market too. Hanses are hands down the better boats for sailing. (Bavaria are best for proving just how much molded plastic can be put on a boat!!!) On the charter market, note how many Hanses are out there for charter, very very few by comparison. The vast majority are owner occupied so to speak.

 

So re your question on living aboard. We live on Ghost (a 470e) at the moment and love it, we love to sail and indeed intend to sail her to Australia so sailing is high on our list. The cabins are really no different to other boats but the high topsides mean more room below. The saloon is great lots of airy space, modern. There are some elements of traditional styling I sometimes which I had but all said and done we are very happy and canít imagine doing what we do on anything else!

 
Oh and i forgot to mention the epoxy, don't forget to understand all the longer term benefits of that too!


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Brad, your plans make me very curious. Could you tell us a bit more about what kind of trip you have in mind between the Med and Oz? I know you will handle the pirates in the Sea of Aden with the same charm you show at this forum, but I would like to know what ports you think would be the best to head for during that journey.

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Arh Johan you are too kind!
 
Nope not heading that way. The original plan was to take 3 years or more with a break to ride bikes around south America and get a season in at Whistler. But that was the thoughts beginning of 2008, with a view to leaving UK in 2009. This was brought forward a year as my Mum got sick so we packed up shop in the UK quickly to see how far we could get knowing that i might be required back in Oz at anytime. That call came in early August 2008 so we left Ghost in Turkey. You see the plan was to get to the eastern med ASAP and then cruise back west for the ARC.
 
So we came back in late 2008 and have been in Oz since. Mum is making great progress now and we are due to get back out to the boat this May, and cruise back across the med and then cross with the ARC. At this stage, we'll have some time in the Caribbean, transit the Panama Canal, and head down to Galapagos and cross to the Marquesas, before picking our way through the south Pacific and finally on to Oz.
 
So sorry, no Sea of Aden, more just the normal milk run I'm afraid!
 
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Sorry,
Where is Oz (in the South Pacific). Failed to find it in Google earth.

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Oz = Australia in antipodean language :-)
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