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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 July 2014 at 07:57
Originally posted by superliga superliga wrote:

Oumou,
I think you are a bit harsh on Hanse. If you read some of the many test done by yacht magazines you will find that not only Hanse owners but also boating journalists have positive things to say about Hanse and how they handle under sail.

I have personally sailed a my Hanse singlehanded in 19 m/s wind under sail. The boat did fine. Now I am not sure when you think the weather qualify for sailing as oppose to camping. But I was pretty impressed.

From my own experience and most of the the problems you read about the Hanse boats are well build but owners experience problems due to electronics, engines and the quality of work done when things are fitted in the boats (e.g. tanks not tight, pumps turning the wrong way etc).





Magazine test do not examine things like what mastic is used on windows or whether the fuel system is correct
Handling under sail does not tell the prospective user if the windows will fall out in 2 years or the swim platform will crack
Electronics failing, water leaking is not "well built"
A boat may sail well but the way it is laid out inside affects crew movement down below under way. A boat which os fantastic in port for " campers" can be a real pig for the crew under way. It is the job of the designer to reach a compromise. A boat that looks great in the boatshow may not feel so great when being sailed & many test reports miss that point
To find out how well a boat is built you need to take it to sea in a blow & see what happens when a crew grabs a handle for support or falls against the table. Or just slides about like a pea in a drum
Another test is to see if you can still open the doors when the boat is on the hard or against a dock wall when the tide goes out

Edited by samuel - 08 July 2014 at 08:09
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After about seven years of hard use here are my comments about build quality:

The hull is very strong and stiff. The hull windows ... well this was the last boat with hull windows I will ever own. I don't trust them. We rebed them twice by ourselves and finally Hanse replaced them after four years under guaranty. I would never cross an ocean in a boat with hull windows! Simple as that.
The gelcoat quality leaves a lot to be desired. After three years the hull needed painting. We tried compounding and sanding without any long lasting improvement. I suggest to buy only white hulled boats.
The interior carpentry is, well IKEA quality and style. The non visible wood used is soft wood and probably short lived.
The deck hardware is one or two sizes smaller than required by the loads. Especially the winches, mast base blocks and anchor windlass are seriously undersized.
I selected a carbon mast and boom which are build like a tank. I hear that the alu mast is undersized and pumping. My carbon mast is perfect.
The electric roller furler by Bamar is an accident waiting to happen. We already replaced it once and now is in a regular maintenance program. Hanse does not use Banar Furlers in their new models.
The hydraulic boomvang and backstay tensioner works like a dream. So does the Jefa rudder and wheel assembly.
The hydraulic gangway is very sensitive and requires constant care.
The garage deck opening is not water tight and rain always finds it's way in the garage. Needs reengineering.
The bowthruster is a failure! When it works it's power is enough in medium crosswind. We threw the electronics away and installed custom made old fashioned relay controller. We also reengineered the leg. Still not satisfied.
The Dessalator watermaker was removed from the boat. Never worked.
The Fischer Panda 10kw generator leaves a lot to be desired. Currently not working.
The four Aircondition units by Climma are more than enough to cool the boat. The raw water pump and pipe network is an accident waiting to happen.
The bilge pumps and the bilge are not satisfactory. We always have water trapped in several places.
The waterheater was replaced twice!
The thruhulls are of low quality. They already need replacement after 7 years. Not good.
The black water tanks are a disaster. The black water is spread into three different tanks, there are no level meters and the total capacity is very low, just 120 liters instead of 500 liters in comparable boats. IMHO there should be only one central tank with a proper level indicator and maserator pump.
The heads are good and easy to use and service.
The shower sump pums are manually controlled. In such a boat there should be a grey water tank and automatic sump pumps.
The electronics by SIMRAD need some experience to use them but the auto pilot is the best I ever had. The GB40 multifunction display was not very stable and crashed but now this model is obsolete. The new system in hear works much better.
The 115 hp Yanmar diesel engine has enough power for my personal use but not for charter use since the customers actually want a cheap power boat.

In general the boat sails like a dream and only needs a lot of changes by the owner to be a perfect boat. If I knew all this when I bought the boat I would probably select a smaller boat (a used 470e probably) and use the rest of the money to do a complete refit and lots of improvements.
With the money I spent for the 630 I could not buy a better boat of comparable length! Lesson learned!



Edited by panos - 08 July 2014 at 10:23
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