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    Posted: 14 January 2007 at 13:45
Hello all,
 
well, the trip to the London Boat Show last Friday cost me an awful lot of money and I haven't broken the news to the wife yet :-) ...
 
I had the 315 on top of my list with Bavaria and Beneteau Oceanis as options, in case the 315 wasn't as "liveable" as I was hoping for. I've experienced Bavaria and Beneteau before and would be thrilled to own any of them, however I had never been in a Hanse. In any case most that one reads leans in the favour of Hanse (I've spent many evenings reading reviews, googling, reading this forum and the Swedish Hanseklubben etc.), so the first thing I did was visit the Hanse stand. Over the day I must have been back and forth to the Bavaria and Beneteau stands 3-4 times, but at the end of the day I went back to Hanse and put my signature down... Delivery April/May Smile ...
 
Anyway before we finalize the order there are quite a few things that I didn't dig in detail at the show but I will need to have a look at, I thought Hanse's websites would be useful but no...
 
So, my list long of questions...:
 
1) The 19HP Yanmar, how sufficient is that or would it make sense to go for the 29HP one?
 
2) Folding prop: there's a lot of conflicting info about these as delivered by Hanse, the Kiwi prop etc. Would it make sense to go for one from Hanse, or to upgrade the next time the boat is out of the water (considering price as well as the quality/performance of the Hanse folding props)?
 
3) Shallow draft keel: I'm tempted to go for this however I guess you lose a bit of stability and upwind performance, how significant would this be?
 
4) Wheel: I'm not a tiller-man so I'm going for the wheel option. However walking past the wheel in the cockpit is a pain. Has anyone put one of the folding wheels (like what Bavaria offers) or a slightly smaller wheel and has anyone ever asked if this could be done by the factory?
 
5) Hanse charge 680 for a Simrad RD68 VHF that costs 260 elsewhere, I guess the markup is for a masttop aerial and installation and therefore is justified, yes or no?
 
6) Bathing platform: does anyone know if there are pictures anywhere that shows how this works and what it looks like (Hanse, please post on your website!)? Is it worth 522 or is it a pain (the older ones seem to break off...)? My main thinking is to give easier access into the dinghy, not sure how correct I am there? 
 
7) The brochure says "You can close the stern off entirely with the optional folding coaming".  Again, there are no pictures showing this, and it's not listed as an option in the spec/pricesheet, could anyone tell me how this works and if the bathing platform would replace it?
 
8) Mainsheet traveller: I won't go for this option as the cockpit already is hard to get around with the wheel there. I've seen some of the retrofits which look OK if I should change my mind later but again I really miss proper pictures of how it would look/work as it comes from Hanse... Any opinions about whether I'm doing the right/wrong thing?
 
9) "Genoa track adjustable from cockpit with ballbearing cars": again I would have wished for some pictures to show whether this is worth spending 757.- on... Does anyone have any opinions?
 
10) Does anyone know if there are any pictures somewhere of what the cockpit table at the steering pedestal looks like? Is it useful or not?
 
11) Sprayhood: I've seen pictures here of a Hanse in Norway and of a German boat with a full cockpit tent. I guess things like these are "made to measure"? Does anyone have any idea what these might cost and whether I should drop the Hanse-delivered sprayhood? Of course you can't sail with them but Scottish summers tend to be wet... 
 
12) MCA commercial rating: I plan to have this done. One thing I'm wondering about is whether there actually is any space for a liferaft, which on bigger boats go on the coach roof.
 
13) Teak everywhere: how good is the quality of Hanse's teak? I have very bad memories of how fast teak went grey on my father's old boat, and how much maintenance it took. It looks gorgeous but is it worth the expense and upkeep, and does the teak side deck get more/less slippery when wet than the standard deck?
 
14) Wiring: A CP31 is part of the deal and I provisionally put a Simrad IS12 wind instrument on the list. As far as I can tell extending an IS12 setup is dead easy, but how easy is retrofitting instruments to the Hanse (in particular pulling wires to various part of the cockpit/wheel pedestal from the chart table)? Has Hanse provisioned well for this?
 
That's it for now, any comments about anything above would be extremely appreciated!!!
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Welcome into the Hanse 315 world!! Here are some of my comments, where I can:
 
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1) The Yanmar 3YM20 (20hp) seems powerful enough, no doubt. I haven't heard of anyone having the 29hp on the Hanse 315 - I can't see that they would need it either, except possibly against heavy seas.
 
2) The 2-blade Flex-o-fold seems very good. Can be put on in less than 30 minutes by yourself. Response is immediate in reverse or forward. A folding propeller is probably the best investment in performance you can do, with no other negative effect on workload or cockpit space!!
 
3) The Hanse 315 has big sails - you'd want to have the normal keel.
 
4-5) Don't have - don't know.
 
6) I think they have reinforced the bathing platform - my early one is too weak for adults. To get in/out, the ladder is better. So I think it is mostly useful for closing up the cockpit as part of the bench. With a tiller, it is nice to have. With a wheel, being without the platform may allow you more sitting positions behind the wheel.
 
7) May be the same as the bathing platform?
 
8) The mainsheet traveller is useful, but if you have a rod-kick with the line going back to a cockpit winch, you can at least tune the mainsail almost as good, except very close to the wind. If you will sail more than 2 people in the cockpit, you should try without the traveller first. It really divides the cockpit.
 
9) Only useful if you buy a larger Genoa. I may install something like this when I get my new sail...
 
10) Don't have - don't know
 
11) The price of the "tent" is about the same price as the sprayhood. Those with tents say it really doubles the "inside space" of the boat. May be nice if kids can play downstairs while the adults relax upstairs...
 
12) Don't have - don't know
 
13) Don't know. If you plan to sail in the fall and winter every year, it may be an idea to not have extra teak. The friction pattern in the standard Hanse decks works pretty well, I think.
 
14) Drawing cables is very easy. There are several larger-diameter tubes from around the boat leading to the control panel. But I think you should get all your mast sensors, antennas and cables, and pidestall instruments installed by Hanse. It is easy to connect onto the Simrad SimNet bus with new displays.
Frode, Stavanger/Norway
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Ohansen

Welcome to the fold. It really is a difficult thing when you order a new boat. " have I done right ? "etc etc

You won't go far wrong with a Hanse
 
Regarding the life raft on the coach roof - I thought about it but did not do it. Mine sits in the cockpit under the mainsheet track. However, as I ( Unfortunately) have a tiller it is not a problem. I would not suggest the liferaft on the coach roof as getting it overboard from there would be difficult as you would have to stop it getting trapped between rail & cabin side in bad weather. You may feel that is OK but the thing also cuts out visibility. The most dangerous thing would be the strain it puts on the few screws that holds the coach roof. A big wave would carry the lot away & the boat would then have no protection below. Its OK putting bolts through the coach roof but if nothing is holding that the whole exercise is a waste.
Finally regarding costof extras. Hanse agreed that I could buy all the electronic bits myself, deliver them to Windemere -where the boat first went from Hanse's yard, & I did a deal with the dealer direct . This saved me a lot. I went to Windemere & met the electrician. A really good guy - & a bottle of scotch paved the way for a first class job !!
 
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As to your point #4 - I have a 371 and upgraded the wheel to the folding Lewmar wheel 2 years ago. It works perfectly. The question is if Hanse use a Lewmar pedestal on the 315 or if they have gone to one similar to the 370 - which I believe is a pedestal from Jefa (the rudder supplier).
 
At any rate I wouldn't worry about it until after you have rec'd the boat and tried it out for a while.
 
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Hi ohansen, excuse me for my bad english!

About engine: i've got the 29 hp version and I'm very happy of it. My cruising speed is 6,5 kts (really). The price difference in not so big (1500 euroc ca.)

I don't thinck that a folding prop is really a good choice because the boat becomes less fast and less "handling" in marinas.

I've got too the wheel version, good but the autopilot was badly installed.
 
I saw the bathing platform and I decided not to buy it. I'm afraid that in a not so long time your stern will be damaged.

About the sprayhood I suggest to you to buy the original one because is not simple to be made.

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Hello!

And thanks for the warning you expressed in the beginning of your message. Unfortunately it came a little too late. Next year I may probably find out that we have the same situation as you? Yes, we have plans to purchase a Hanse 315 in the near future.

I took some photos last February in Helsinki Boat show from a Hanse 315. It was equipped with optionals like wheel, mainsheet traveller and folding bath platform. I hope it will be useful for you. (Because this is my very first message, I am not sure I can handle with inserting those pictures. I cropped and compressed them in order to fit them, hope they are still viewable.)

Notice that Hanse's are not identical, and there have been made several modifications to it during the last year. For example, the displacement was 3.9 t a year ago, but now it is 4.3 t. Interior and materials have been modified quite much, winches are different etc. You can easily compare the differences, if you are interested. Use Google and type "specification hanse 315" you will get links to different Hanse dealers. Some of them have still the older PDF-brochure. Take a look to the displacement: The new one has 4.3 t / 9.480 lb.

I didn't like the platform system, open stern looks better. There is more discussion of the platform under Hanse 341 hints and tips.


 




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Thanks for the feedback folks, much appreciated! Seems like yes to normal keel, no to genoa tracks, no to traveller, yes to bathing platform, yes to wheel, and yes to standard sprayhood.
 
A couple of questions regarding the electronics:
 
1) The show offer includes a "free" Simrad CP31. It seems like folks are having condensation problems with this: as I live in a *very* wet place this would be unacceptable so would trying to get a better system like the CX33 make sense? Of course if the CP31 is installed at the navstation and not the cockpit then you would have other things to worry about if it were to get wet...!
 
2) I'm contemplating paying for a dual-station DS33-CX but the price is higher than a separate chartplotter. I'm kind of thinking a second cheaper chartplotter at the wheel would make sense instead of a slave unit, if the master at the navstation goes on the blink that wouldn't be a big issue. Does anyone have any thoughts about what I'd be missing out on (like integration)?
 
3) The RD68 VHF has gone up to 724, this seems a bit excessive to me, has anyone here retrofitted a VHF and if so do you have a cost estimate for a VHF aerial/wiring/installation costs, apart from the VHF unit itself? Does anyone here know exactly what aerial (make or specs/length/etc) Hanse fits?  
 
Thanks in advance again!!!
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Hello,
 
You might consider having a spray hood custom made. Yes, it is more expensive, but you will get better fabric and will have a say in the final outcome. When I bought my 311 second hand, it had a factory sprayhood. The material was not as sturdy as the Sunbrella used here in the States. The framing was aluminium, which flexes a lot when you lean against it (such as when going forward). It had no zippers, so it was a pain to remove from the framing. Also, the window area was very small.
 
In the end - when it came time to replace - I had a new one made (along the lines of the original) with stainless 1" tubing, zippers for removal, a zip out center windshield, much larger glass area (including triangles on the sides), leather boom guard (not plastic), and strataglass instead of the flimsy vinyl. But the best addition was a stainless handhold above the triangular side windows to make getting forward much safer, especially in a seaway. Total cost was slightly less that $2K - so not much more than the factory canvas, if at all!
 
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Originally posted by tremalnaik tremalnaik wrote:

Hi ohansen, excuse me for my bad english!

About engine: i've got the 29 hp version and I'm very happy of it. My cruising speed is 6,5 kts (really). The price difference in not so big (1500 euroc ca.)

I don't thinck that a folding prop is really a good choice because the boat becomes less fast and less "handling" in marinas.

I've got too the wheel version, good but the autopilot was badly installed.
 
I saw the bathing platform and I decided not to buy it. I'm afraid that in a not so long time your stern will be damaged.

About the sprayhood I suggest to you to buy the original one because is not simple to be made.

Ciao
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lystig Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 February 2007 at 08:52
I do not agree with tremalnaik about the folding prop Ihave a 3 blade folding prop. (volvo) and a 20 hp engine my cruising speed is also 6.5 knots and the handling in marinas are exellent. also remember that sailing is the main reason for buing a hanse.
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