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    Posted: 24 April 2018 at 00:58
Ordered a new main and self-tacking jib from Leitch & McBride. The old main was the original East Sail supplied by Hanse. It still looked OK but showing signs of wear. The boat is a 2001 model and the log shows about 12,000 miles.

They are both Crosscut Dacron sails made from Marblehead cloth. The original main had 5 full battens but the new one has 4 full battens. The old one had Rutgerson cars, and the slides needed to be lubricated frequently with McLube to run up and down smoothly. The new sail has Bainbridge Allslip Low Friction Slides. They are amazingly slippery. The sail goes up easily and drops fast without hanging up.

Two reefs were installed, but higher than the originals so the second reef is equivalent to the third reef on some boats. I put in new reef lines, 9 mm instead of the original 12 mm. Much less friction. Similarly the main halyard has been replaced with 9 mm Dyneema. Again much less friction.

The previous jib was an Elvstrom Genesis hi-tech mylar string sail. A beautiful shape when new but it was starting to delaminate and showing mildew between layers. The new jib has a similar shape (battened with roach) and looks very good.

These sails, like those from many sailmakers these days, were made overseas to design and measurements from the local loft They seem well made and reinforced. I first thought they were made by China Sail Factory but it turns out they were made in Sri Lanka.

The new main was very tight in the lazy bag, and the zipper failed.  Ordered a new lazy bag, also being made at CSF. Will report when it arrives.


Edited by gshannon - 15 July 2018 at 01:14
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Grahame, I would be very interested in the new lazy bag made by the CSF.  Let me know how long it took to make, how well it fits and your impression of its quality. Perhaps you would be willing to share the cost as well.
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Hi Alan,

They say five weeks delivery, just ordered it. The design is a bit different from Hanse's original. It is all one piece and the front cover tucks in one side when you are sailing. I haven't got the invoice yet. There was an option, $100 I believe for UV resistant PTFE thread which I went for as the stitching always goes before the Sunbrella cloth. 

I'll post the approximate cost when I get the invoice.
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The lazybag from China Sail Factory never arrived. After it was ordered (and paid for by the local sailmaker I ordered through) they stopped answering emails and inquiries. He paid with Visa and is trying to get the charge reversed. 

So a second attempt is being made, Leitch & McBride in Victoria BC is building me one locally. More expensive, but perhaps it will actually get done! Supposed to be delivered this coming week.
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I had a Lazy Bag made by China Sail Factory about a yr ago.  Configured all wrong.  Fortunately I was able to return it to the retailer.  Having a new one made now by Elvstom's sole US dealer, Harding Sails.  Should arrive this week.
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You do notsay why your zip failed in the first place but if it was because the sail was tight inside the cover my solution may help.
I sail single handed most of the time & do not always have time to pack the sail into the cover, particularly if it is rough. To keep the sail tidy until I am in port I had 4 loops of line fitted inside the cover on one side & some lengths of line one the other side with plastic balls fitted. These were near the mast I adjusted the balls such that when fitted through the loops it was a little tighter than the closed zip. I now can lean over the boom pull the loop  & hook the ball through the loop to retain the sail. I have learned to do this almost one handed.
This means that when i want to zip up there is no load on the zip. That may help you with your zip pulling apart- if that was the issue
When leaving port I unzip then when I want hoist the sail I just have to release the 4 balls& the sail is released
In this picture the sail maker got it slightly wrong so i had it re done with a loop one side rather than a long loop that is shown in the picture that has to be threaded through the eye on the opposite side first.
But I think you can get the idea





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The zipper did break because of too tight fit. The original mainsail seemed to pack tighter. The new one is stiffer and that seemed to cause the problem. It is so tight that just putting in a new zipper is not a good solution, and the cover is more than 10 years old anyway.

Your idea is a good one,  but it partly defeats the purpose of the "lazybag".  When out cruising we just let the sail drop in the bag and don't zip it.
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The new lazy bag arrived this morning and with the help of Brett Willets from Leitch & McBride we installed it. To save money we ordered it without battens and lazy jacks, and re-used the old ones for now.

It fits beautifully, as it should since Brett took the measurements after the new main was bent on. The zipper is a massive #12 size which should be more durable than the #10 that most covers use. The lazy jacks attach directly to the battens through a stainless grommet. I have not see it done this way but it makes sense. The front cover zips on. I found the black zippers a bit hard to see. The main part does a good job covering the sail without the front boit so I will probably only use it when leaving the boat for some time.



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