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    Posted: 01 November 2004 at 20:12

 

OSMOSIS Problems with Hanse !!

On our 4-years old Hanse 301, they have discovered osmosis in the hull and rudder.

We would like to come into contact with other Hanse-owners with similar experiences.

Thanks in advance!

An anxious owner.

OSMOSE Probleme mit Hanse !!!
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Unsere Hanse 301 hat schon nach 4 Jahren Osmose auf Rumpf und Ruder. Gerne stellen wir uns in Verbindung mit Hanse-Eigner mit ähnlichen Erfahrungen.

 

 

 



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 November 2004 at 21:59

That sounds scary! Did you have osmose prevention?

Regards Thomas

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 November 2004 at 22:09

Hello there,

So that is bad news. The most owners I know(including me) has a younger boat. I have a 341 from 2003. But was there already an osmosis resistence gelcoat on it in 2000, they are using now? I like to know if you take the boat out of the water every year. Because I let the boat in the water this year.

There is only a 2 year guarantee on osmosis but maybe Hanse will help you with this or not?

good luck with it!

greetings,

Martijn "NO FEAR"

 

 

 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 November 2004 at 16:48

This is rather a worry - we too have a 331 that is coming into her 5th season.

When you but a boat from new you do not expect something like this to happen.

It would be interesting to hear what HANSE have to say.

We have left our boat in the water over the last 4 years only taking her out in order to antifoul (wonderful job!!!!)

Any comments HANSE??

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 November 2004 at 21:20

Hi guys,

Actually we did not have a special osmosis prevention, besides the usual (and official) paint-system. We renewed the antifouling each year.

We took out the boat of the water every winter-period. Unfortunately we cannot find out any details about the quality of the gelcoat Hanse used for our Hanse 301.

As far as Hanse is concerned; they seem not to be worrying about a serious problem with a product of 4 years old. Since more than half a year already, we are waiting for an official reaction of The Quality People in Greifswald.

An Anxious owner. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 November 2004 at 22:27

It seems a shame that Hanse do not feel the need to be too concerned about this problem.

You have paid out a lot of money for your boat - AND it is only 4 years old.

I have discussed this issue with my hubby only this evening and he has admitted that since reading your message it has made him very concerned.

I really would be interested in what Hanse have to say.

We had the osmosis protection applied to our boat - however we had many problems with our boat when she arrived in the UK but this was more to do with the dealer at that time rather than Hanse.

To be fair to Peter Thomas and his team they put things right for us and has continued to be very supportive.

Have you spoken with your dealer about yoyur dissatisfaction??

Keep us posted 

Sue  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2004 at 19:47

Hi Sue (and others),

Yes, we discussed the osmosis-problems with our supplier, who had been the official Hanse distributor for many years but isn't anymore.

 

He and the current distributor did their very best to help us, but until now (after many, many months) they were not able to supply us with an official reaction of The Quality People in Greifswald.

Although we have been very interested in buying a 341/342, we have become very distrustful about the after sales 'service' of The Quality People.

 

The current distributor has proposed a package-deal: buying a new 342 and they would look after our 301 and the osmosis problems by trading our ship in.

Our opinion, however, is that a yard should give its customers at any time a high servicelevel, independent of the question whether the client is a prospect for a new boat or not.

 

Meanwhile we are investigating all possible actions that might be taken to get this case in motion. 

Sue, and all the others, thanks for your sympathy.

We will keep you posted!

Rgds.

A.O. 

   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 November 2004 at 23:16

Hi A.O. ,

It is unbelievable that Hanse Germany will not respond on this serious issue.

Because they will lose customers like you said. And they(the distrubutor) only want to release you from your problems if you would buy a Hanse 341/342. But Hanse Greifswald should come with a solution I think. And not the distributor.

It is not normal after 4 years that you have osmosis. Then there was something wrong in the productionfase. And this has nothing to do with antifouling or something.  

This is grazy. This issue and other issues about all kind of things screams for an united european/worldwide Hanse club for all Hanseowners that can make a fist to Hanse Germany. Perhaps than they will take the problems seriously. A lot of other Hanseowners scared a lot I think from your message like I did. A lot of people do not have their boat for so many years. But now we know what is coming.................. But hopefully we will not have osmosisproblems after 4 years.

I can imagine that you lost your faith in Hanseyachts unless they build nice boats like the 341/342, etc. But it all comes with the quality and most of all the aftersales/service. And unfortunately they still refuse to learn it.

But again, all the best and good luck with it!

greetings,

Martijn "NO FEAR"  



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2004 at 10:27

 Well I agree with you all. And osmose is a problem. Only one that is partly not understood by all. When there are some blasters on your hull skin it is not osmose!! This is only a bubble in the gelcoat. Not nice but defenitly not osmosis. Osmose is when the laminate comes de-laminated.... and believe me that you don't want to see on you ship! So Indeed Hanse Greifswald have to learn a f....ing lot! But on the other side, they don't read this side....

For the bubbles in the hull. Just open them, was it out and let it dry. Don't believe the horror stories and buy a nice can of epoxie. Fill in springtime the gaps and put some antifouling on it. No worries and you won't see any bubble anymore....

And let's all hope that Hanse will grow up. And that we all have great dealers around the world.

Frank - Eternal Flame

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 November 2004 at 11:15

I was informed yesterday eve about this osmosis problem and I'm very concerned about that.

Years ago I saw a 20 years old ship with osmosis directly after craning out of the water. There were a lot of small bubbles and if you peresses your finger nails on it there comes a clear fluid out of that. The fluid smells like a little bit between vinigar and styrol.

The owner opened all bubbles by using a grinding machine and let them dry until spring. Then it was a lot of work to fill the wholes with epoxy surfacer.

But this ship was 20 years old. In that former times there were a lot of ships built with osmosis problems later. But I thought that nowadays Osmosis doesn't happen with the modern isphtalic gelcoats.

I'm disappointed about the quality of Hanse and specially about the No-Reaction of Hanse.

My hope now is to hear an official declaration shortly.

I'm alarmed. Solidarity to A.O.

BR Ralf, Ex. 'a mare' H370
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