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Topic: Upgrading from NSS 8
Posted By: seileren1
Subject: Upgrading from NSS 8
Date Posted: 01 December 2017 at 17:57
Hi,

We would like to upgrade from Simrad NSS 8 master and 12 slave to a system which can provide us with gofree functionality. Our existing system has IS 20’ AP 24, 4 g radar etc.

Any suggestions recommendations?

Cheers



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Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 01 December 2017 at 19:25
If they stuff works flawlessly, why don't you add a gofree module via Simnet ?
Reasonable cost and works ( for me ) quite well



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Frank


Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 01 December 2017 at 22:27
Apparently the nss8 from 2012 dose not work with the GoFree module.

You need a NSS EVO 2. But one of my questions is if you need to upgrade both the master and slave unit, and if this will be compatable with the rest of the system?

Cheers


Posted By: alidal
Date Posted: 02 December 2017 at 00:30
My NSS7 from 2012 work with gofree....

http://www.simrad-yachting.com/en-US/Products/NSS-Touchscreen-Navigation/NSS8-en-us.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.simrad-yachting.com/en-US/Products/NSS-Touchscreen-Navigation/NSS8-en-us.aspx


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Hanse 400#655


Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 02 December 2017 at 06:38
Dito, my NSS 8 from early 2013 works flawlessly with the gofree module.  Last year the dealer offered me a exchange for the latest B&G version for a whopping 2000.- €.

Never touch a working systemLOL


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Frank


Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 02 December 2017 at 12:06
Thank you guys for your response. Both Navico in Spain where I have the boat, and my home dealer (independent of each other) claimed that I had to have an EVO 2 version and that my existing unit was not compatable with GoFree. The technicans that came omboard to installed the GoFree could not get the system to work either, so I tend to trust them.

So assuming that they are right, what do I do?

Cheers


Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 02 December 2017 at 15:32
Try to borrow a gofree unit in from a friendly neighbour in your harbor in Spain and test it yourself, it is a simple plug and play. Don't know if they have changed the Software/Hardware between 2012 and early 2013. Have you sent a E-Mail request to Simrad in the UK ?  Normally they come back within a few days with a qualified response.
Do you have the latest software sersion on your NSS 8? Afaik the latest and last NSS version dates back to 2014.  They have just released a new app for Android, I-Phone and I-Pad, it is now called "link".
 
Good Luck!


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Frank


Posted By: High Time
Date Posted: 02 December 2017 at 21:53
Originally posted by seileren1 seileren1 wrote:

Thank you guys for your response. Both Navico in Spain where I have the boat, and my home dealer (independent of each other) claimed that I had to have an EVO 2 version and that my existing unit was not compatable with GoFree. The technicans that came omboard to installed the GoFree could not get the system to work either, so I tend to trust them.

So assuming that they are right, what do I do?

Cheers

You need to update the firmware in the NSS8. To do that you will need a micro SD card. The instructions how to do it and the firmware itself can be found on the Simrad site under Support/NSS8. The process is quite straightforward. My NSS8 is from 2012 and I updated the firmware several years ago. WiFi set up now appears in the menu (although I have never fitted a GoFree unit).

Oh - and when you've done the firmware update maybe you should also update your local 'experts'.  Smile  Wink


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Roger

High Time (415 #038)


Posted By: sailkoop
Date Posted: 03 December 2017 at 09:37
Hi,
I changed my System to B&G. All the other components are working together with the Zeus. The only Part you need in addition is a cable which connects the Plotter to the Simnet.


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best regards

Bjoern

http://www.sy-serafina.de
Hanse 470e #165



Posted By: High Time
Date Posted: 03 December 2017 at 10:13
Further to my previous post (above), the link you need to the NSS 8 Software Update process is here.

http://www.simrad-yachting.com/en-US/Support/Downloads/NSS-Software-Update/" rel="nofollow - http://www.simrad-yachting.com/en-US/Support/Downloads/NSS-Software-Update/

I updated my NSS8 around 2013/14 where the addition of WiFi suppport was the main improvement. This latest update (July 2014!) doesn't mention WiFi because it's already included in the previous build. The update is a complete software reload so all previous updates (even if you missed them) should be included.

I haven't updated my system with V3 yet so will try it next week. I'll report if there are any problems but I'm not anticipating any.




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Roger

High Time (415 #038)


Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 05 December 2017 at 21:12
Hi Sailkoop,

Did you change both your master and your slave unit for two similar BG units?

Cheers


Posted By: sailkoop
Date Posted: 06 December 2017 at 06:40
Hello,
I changed both into one! I installed a 12' Zeus in the Cockpit and using the WiFi for mirroring it to the iPad. That works perfect for me. 


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best regards

Bjoern

http://www.sy-serafina.de
Hanse 470e #165



Posted By: High Time
Date Posted: 12 December 2017 at 20:46
Originally posted by High Time High Time wrote:

Further to my previous post (above), the link you need to the NSS 8 Software Update process is here.

http://www.simrad-yachting.com/en-US/Support/Downloads/NSS-Software-Update/" rel="nofollow - http://www.simrad-yachting.com/en-US/Support/Downloads/NSS-Software-Update/

I updated my NSS8 around 2013/14 where the addition of WiFi suppport was the main improvement. This latest update (July 2014!) doesn't mention WiFi because it's already included in the previous build. The update is a complete software reload so all previous updates (even if you missed them) should be included.

I haven't updated my system with V3 yet so will try it next week. I'll report if there are any problems but I'm not anticipating any.


As expected the update of my NSS8 to V3 firmware was completed without problem at the weekend.

To confirm, V2 firmware (mid 2013) first included support for GoFree  wifi. This same support is included in V3. If all you want to achieve is mirroring of the NSS8 (both display and control) over wifi then all you need to do is update your NSS to V3 (at zero cost).  Smile  You will, of course, also need a GoFree unit (or equivalent).


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Roger

High Time (415 #038)


Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 25 December 2017 at 08:16
So I updated my NSS 8 to v3, resulting in a lost radar functionality.

I can now see the GoFree unit on the NSS 8, But the GoFree app «link» does not connect to it. The GoFree unit is connected to the IPad Wifi though.

Suggestions?


Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 25 December 2017 at 09:27
When I run the DHCP probe in the menu I get the following error vide: «wam: received unexpected response on interface eth0 from BootP/DHCP server with IP source 192.168.0.1 (ether src 0:42:42:0:e9:31). «

The ip adress is the GoFree IP adress


Posted By: High Time
Date Posted: 25 December 2017 at 10:07
V3 should not upset the radar function. It is more likely to be a wiring issue.

When you connected the GoFree did you disturb the radar ethernet connection? Both the radar and the GoFree need ethernet connection to the NSS8. I think this probably needs an ethernet expansion switch. I can't be certain as I don't have a GoFree but someone (Fendant maybe) should be along shortly to give you more details about GoFree woring.

Merry Christmas.


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Roger

High Time (415 #038)


Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 25 December 2017 at 12:33
Thanks for the advice, after further reseach and an error message on the nss8 ( «update to new radar sofware»), the solution for the radar issue could be to update the software. The radar is pre 2014 and there is a patch on Simrads HomePage. I keep you poster about the progress on the radar issue.

GoFree is still a mystery...

Cheers


Posted By: High Time
Date Posted: 26 December 2017 at 10:02
Originally posted by seileren1 seileren1 wrote:

. . . . . the solution for the radar issue could be to update the software. 
GoFree is still a mystery...

You could be right. I remember updating my radar in early 2013 with version 3.0.38 (which is still the current version for the pre 2014 radar). The notes for that update mention GoFree so I guess it is needed for GoFree AND radar to work on the same NSS. V2 and/or V3 NSS updates should then allow the radar and GoFree to work together.

Is your radar a 3. or a 4. (post Oct 2014)? There is a different update for each (you probably already know this now).

I'm afraid I still have no idea about the GoFree.


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Roger

High Time (415 #038)


Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 26 December 2017 at 11:17
Hi all,

just to let you know, the radarupgrade went well and I do now have 100% functionality.

The GoFree however does not work, maybe Navico was right in that the NSS from 2012 is not compatible...

Cheers


Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 26 December 2017 at 15:02
Hej Seileren,
 
did you succeed to connect the gofree module with the Ethernet cable to your NSS8?  If your ipad "sees" the gofree you still need to enter the wifi passcode from the gofree module. Do you see the "NNS8" logo on the start-up Screen.
 
Please be patient, the Simrad software is not the fastest things afloat. It sometimes takes minutes rather than seconds to respond. Under actual use econditions it is ok, the slowgo is always in the Startup Phase.
 
 


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Frank


Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 26 December 2017 at 15:11




Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 26 December 2017 at 15:18
The above screenshot is what I see on my iPhone when running the «Link» app. Its the only message that the app provides.

My iPhone is conncted to GoFree and logged on to its Wifi using the correct passord.

As staten above I get error messages on my NSS 8.

Cheers

I will give it more time...


Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 11:15
Hej Seileren,
 
did you try and enter the number manually?


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Frank


Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 27 December 2017 at 15:19
Yes, I tried the IP adress for the unit, did not work

Cheers


Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 28 December 2017 at 11:03
Sorry Seileren, I have run out of ideasOuch

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Frank


Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 29 December 2017 at 06:35
Thank you all for your contributions.

I guess I have to start reseach the new plottets to get wifi options.

Cheers


Posted By: High Time
Date Posted: 29 December 2017 at 09:50
I wouldn't give up yet as it should work.

If the software is now all up to date the problem must be in the hardware or the goFree or NSS set-up. 

Did you install it yourself? 

Have you carefully checked the wiring to the GoFree, particularly the ethernet connection between the NSS and the GoFree?

If that all looks OK then I suggest you re-read the set-up procedure for both the NSS (for GoFree) and the GoFree itself. Get the latest installtion manuals from the Simrad site as the GoFree/NSS interface set-up was not included in the 2012 versions.

If it still doesn't work then I suggest you call (don't waste time with email) Simrad support to get their suggestions.

If you really want a new plotter then just buy one but I don't think the GoFree not working is a good justification - it should work!

Good luck!



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Roger

High Time (415 #038)


Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 23 January 2018 at 21:53


Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 23 January 2018 at 22:00
Hi guys,

Good news!! It looks like the issue can be solved with the new link app.

Navico just released an upgrade to the link app which they claime can handle NSS8.

Maybe my calls to them helped 😀😀

Thank you for all your good advice guys.

Cheers


Posted By: Scotchmist
Date Posted: 27 February 2018 at 10:35
Hi guys

Just bought a B&G Go free device. Having difficulty identifying where to connect the red, black and yellow wires of the power cable into the distribution board, or should it be to the back of the switch panel? Any ideas?  


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Andrew

Scotch Mischief Dehler 38 by Hanse


Posted By: High Time
Date Posted: 27 February 2018 at 14:42
The red (positive/plus) and black (negative/minus) leads are  for 12V power and just need to be connected to a switched 12V supply, with a suitable fuse included (5A or less).

The yellow lead also needs to be connected to 12V+ for the GoFree to be turned on. This can either be doubled up with the red lead so the GoFree turns on when it's switched supply is turned on, or to the chartplotter yellow lead so it turns on when the chartplotter is turned on (see the WiFi Installation Guide https://ww2.bandg.com/downloads/wifi-1-install-guide/" rel="nofollow - here , if you haven't already got it).



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Roger

High Time (415 #038)


Posted By: Scotchmist
Date Posted: 27 February 2018 at 15:04
Thanks Roger

Thats a good start. I'd like to switch it with the same instruments switch as the chartplotter but interestingly, the chartplotter yellow (and blue) power cable wires are neatly cut off, so only the black and red cables are connected and they are in the back of the switch panel. I was wondering if anyone has connected directly into the back of the new Hanse switch panels, and if so where? PS it seems that all the instruments are connected into the back of the switch panel, but separately, though they're all switched on / off by the same switch on the panel. 


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Andrew

Scotch Mischief Dehler 38 by Hanse


Posted By: High Time
Date Posted: 27 February 2018 at 16:02
The instruments are powered from the Simnet which has a separate power feed and switch on the switch panel (at least it does on High Time). This means that each instrument doesn't need any additional wires, just the Simnet connection.

Not sure I understand the problem regarding the 'back of the switch panel' and separate connections to the instruments. Can you expand a bit and/or include a photo.


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Roger

High Time (415 #038)


Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 27 February 2018 at 18:07
Andrew,
you need to connect the black cable to - and the red and yellow to plus.  I have inserted a simple toggle switch into the yellow cable, to allow a reset of the wireless network without disturbing the simnet system.

Then you need to connect the gofree module with the plotter via an Ethernet cable. This has bulky plugs at the end. I opted therefore to install the gofree into the same stainless plotter box, where I found an unused 12 V cable connection ( probably foreseen for a 12 V plug or a fridge in the cockpit ).

If you can not install the gofree near the plotter with a standard computer cable you have to route a non plugged data cable and have an IT guy crimp the plug later later on.


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Frank


Posted By: Scotchmist
Date Posted: 28 February 2018 at 12:27
Thanks Roger and Frank. as a matter of interest my chart plotter is at the nav station in the saloon. The switch panel is by Wurth Electroniks. Unfortunately though I thought I took some photos, I cant find them. Since the chart plotter power supply is connected to the back of that panel, I assumed I could connect into the same switched bus but looking at diagrams I cant work out whether any of the spare socket are on the same bus. 

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Andrew

Scotch Mischief Dehler 38 by Hanse


Posted By: Fendant
Date Posted: 14 March 2018 at 20:17
Hi Andrew, did you get my PM ?

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Frank


Posted By: seileren1
Date Posted: 27 March 2018 at 13:25
A quick update on thr NSS GoFree issue. The updated app «link» worked well on my system
Cheers


Posted By: Scotchmist
Date Posted: 03 April 2018 at 13:46
Just in case of interest. I connected into the back of the Wurth switch panel with a blue and grey plug into a spare 'way', which is controlled by the instrument switch. Now the Go free device comes on with all the other nav instruments from the same switch.


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Andrew

Scotch Mischief Dehler 38 by Hanse



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