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Gybing the 575

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Topic: Gybing the 575
Posted By: Relentless
Subject: Gybing the 575
Date Posted: 27 August 2018 at 17:28
Prior to owning my 575, I have never sailed a boat this large and my experience is mostly racing dinghies on lakes here in Ohio.    I've been learning a lot over the summer!!!
 
How do you Gybe your 575?   Lets say in 15-18knts of wind.
 
I've played with different methods:
 
1. Haul in the main sheet with winch until the boom is close to the center, then Gybe and ease main.  I like this the most.
 
2. Gybe with boom out and as it back winds and crosses over, try to haul in the slack main sheet as fast as possible to "catch" the boom and ease it after the gybe.  It requires a large boat turn to get the main backwinded...and there's usually some yelling involved with crew.  haha!
 
3. Start the engine and full throttle to try to move the apparent wind foreword or at least lower the apparent wind speed. Gybe, then shut off engine.  not sure about this one.....
 
4. 270 degree tack.  Uhg!  there is a lots of sail flogging during this maneuver!  I don't like it.
 
When sailing downwind, I sail fairly high....hardly ever dead down wind.  I like hotter/higher angle for speed and stability...so in a narrow bay like the Narragensett, I Gybe often. 
 
How do you gybe?   What about higher wind speeds....say 25knts.    Full sail or reefed? 
 
Rob
 



Replies:
Posted By: sailkoop
Date Posted: 27 August 2018 at 17:56
Hi Rob,
I am with #1! The Reason is that the mainsheet is in the middle of the boom and if you have to much force on the boom by gybing the boom will brake!! Important is to ease the main quickly after the Wind comes from the other side, even by higher Windspeed! If you are talking about 25kn downwind you can go with full Main, if you ease out quickly the Main, otherwise you'll go immediately into the Sun....


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best regards

Bjoern





Posted By: Wayne's World
Date Posted: 27 August 2018 at 18:18
Rob,

We use your option #1 when gybing and if sailing in winds of 25kn we would reef even downwind because as you know the main sail is large. In 25kn you do not need 90sm of mail sail up. This season we bought a BWR down wind sail of 220sm made by Elvstrom which is easy to put up and down and needs no poles or other lines except the sheets. We have not had the BWR up in 25kn downwind as yet but they say you can use it in up to 30kn downwind. We will see.   


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Wayne W
Cruising, currently in the Caribbean and will head across the Pacific early 2024


Posted By: Ballistic
Date Posted: 28 August 2018 at 00:09
Rob     My wife and I have raced and  cruised our 531 for over 14 years now.  Certainly option 1 is best for racing but in a strong breeze ,with limited crew ,a bit hairy.  Given the mid-boom sheeting these big yachts have , I would "granny" tack 90% of the time. when cruising. The time you lose with this manouver is certainly offset by not having to replace your boom so often.  Ballistic  2004   531


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 28 August 2018 at 01:53
To me it depends upon the strength of the wind.   If its light winds (say 5-8 true) then you can do things a little differently than if its blowing 20-25 true.    I've used your #1 many times.   The thing I worry about is the sail backing on to the spreaders. 

For some reason,   if you simply gybe with the mainsheet locked (you don't bring the sail into the centerline of the boat) I find that the sail can be backed on to the spreaders  even if it wasn't on the other side.     I worry about damaging the sail, and so #1 lets me actively control how that plays out.

FWIW



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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161
Newport, RI


Posted By: marcopone
Date Posted: 29 August 2018 at 22:34
I always use #1 method.
With strong wind and sea you may want to make a 270º to avoid much stress to the boat and to yourself.
In that case you need the motor help because the boat will slow down too much during the tack.


Posted By: Ballistic
Date Posted: 29 August 2018 at 23:25
Hi   If the wind is so light that the boat slows down during the" granny  tack" [I presume AKA 270 ] ,obviously you would do a conventional gybe  . Stress free . John Ballistic   531     2004


Posted By: Black Diamond
Date Posted: 30 August 2018 at 00:11
I've never needed the engine to complete a "poor mans gybe".      As was said,  if its too light to give you enough speed for the tack, then you should have done a conventional gybe anyway.

FWIW


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Rick
S/V Black Diamond
Hanse 575 Build #192, Hull# 161
Newport, RI


Posted By: mopoulter
Date Posted: 31 August 2018 at 15:47
# 1 is best all others seem too complicated and prone to a mistake
Although year in heavy air and towing a dinghy we (my wife and I) did the 270 degree "gybe" We call it a chicken gybeSmile


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mp

Hanse 370 #416

"Anxiolytic"


Posted By: Wild
Date Posted: 03 September 2018 at 10:54
#1 is what we do with TWA winds up to max 20 knots and full main
+20 it depends how much main we have up we go for the "gale round" in Flemisch "storm rondje" (the chicken gibe our what ever you call it) we call the 270° gibe

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Wild and Wet
Belgium
545e#268


Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 03 September 2018 at 18:23
Do any of you release some of the vang tension prior to the gybe.
I ask because a friend broke his Seldon rod Kicker (445) & was told it was because he had not released some of the tension prior to gybing.
However, he pointed out that he always did so.
Is this standard practice with you big boat sailors?


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Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex


Posted By: kevinof
Date Posted: 04 September 2018 at 10:19
#1 always

It puts the least stress on everything (including the crew). You also don't have to be quick to let it back out again as it's all under control in the centre of the boat.


Posted By: Wild
Date Posted: 04 September 2018 at 12:48
Samuel
Yes we do release the tension of the boomvang before the gibe.
I have seen a few boats who crackt the rodkicker our the.connection at the mast.( Hanse 430)

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Wild and Wet
Belgium
545e#268


Posted By: Wild
Date Posted: 04 September 2018 at 12:57
To avoid damage on the rig as a result of un unexpected gibe we give our mainsail sailmaker the order to make the webbings of the clew not to strvong. So wen something go wrong this is the weakest point ,the main will fly out and there will no big damage on the rig.

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Wild and Wet
Belgium
545e#268



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