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Topic: Leaking windos !
Posted By: coffee
Subject: Leaking windos !
Date Posted: 21 April 2010 at 08:46
 
Leaking windos in the salon.
 
How have you solved this problem?
 
Regards
 
coffee



Replies:
Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 21 April 2010 at 14:16
Hi.

We also have leaking windows, We discovered this while we sail home from Greifswald.
I have contacted the seller to get this fixed, will be back with more info when I saw how they made.


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: nickfabbri
Date Posted: 22 April 2010 at 11:45
I took delivery of my 320 2 years ago. The windows have leaked badly for almost a year. Unfortunately after doing much research I have found that the reason for the leaks is that there is no effective way of bonding perspex to GRP. So with the flexing of the boat under sail, the seals break. I have simply used a marine based silicone sealant to reseal the windows, but i am aware that this will need to be redone on a yearly basis.

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Nick71
Hanse 320


Posted By: shaukaas
Date Posted: 22 April 2010 at 14:16
This is something similar to what I've read on this subject. However, Hanse refuses to admit this - thus this is a well known problem in the industry.

The warranty period will end shortly; exactly how Hanse wants it. Unless they actually take great care of this problem, I can not sit down and watch this tradegy. What I write on this and other forums, will remain until someone deletes it. Probably never - a rumor takes years to re-establish. Too bad Hanse is working on tearing it all down.... Confused


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S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171

LG3600 - NOR13510




Posted By: hazyblue
Date Posted: 22 April 2010 at 21:13
My saloon windows started leaking badly in August last year - Hanse UK have now replaced all of the leaky windows and glued\sealed them with Sikaflex and secured them with 8 or so screws - only time will tell how effective their work has been.  If major modifications have been carried out on the new models to address this problem then this should be offered to all owners as faulty windows pose a fundamental safety issue.


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 22 April 2010 at 22:21
Hi.

I talked with my dealer here in sweden today and they will fix my leaking windows next week.

He told me to check all the skrews so they are all hard fixed until they check them.

To my suprise I could pull almost all the skrews 2-6 turns before they were hard fitted.

Very bad job från Hanse to not fix this before delivery. 

They are still leaking but not as much as before.
 
/Henrik


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 22 April 2010 at 22:38
Is there any way to attach aluframes on existing windows???...as most people say that simple resealing will not solve the problem completely I'm thinking of redesigning those bloody windows or even changing them for brand new aluwindows...


Posted By: nickfabbri
Date Posted: 23 April 2010 at 08:58
Following my post yesterday about the leaks, I am posting an update to heap praise upon the staff of Hanse UK at Hamble point.
Within a few hours of uploading my previous post, I had been contacted my email and telephone by Peter Thomas to ascertain the nature of the problem. He gave me a full explanation for the reason for the leakage ( which is based on a problem of UV degradation of the sealant used. SOmething that Hanse were unaware of).
Hanse are now going to come and replace all the leaking windows over the next month, at no cost.
From my point of view this is amazing customer service, which should be recognised.


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Nick71
Hanse 320


Posted By: Raptor
Date Posted: 23 April 2010 at 09:07
Wish I could say the same. I have the Lewmar alu framed windows and still waiting to have new windows refitted. I'm told that the reason for the leakages is that when they installed the window they didn't use enough sicaflex.


Posted By: shaukaas
Date Posted: 23 April 2010 at 09:54
But, still, after having all your windows replaced - the problem still persists! Just give it a few years...

How to actually SOLVE this problem? Swedish boats from the 80's were able to make boats without any leakages - why are Hanse not able to achieve such a basic demand in 2007-2010 ??? Dead


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S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171

LG3600 - NOR13510




Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 23 April 2010 at 10:45
Hanse in the Uk did not know of Mr Fabbri's problems and have contacted him to offer a solution
 
There are some windows on some boats affected by a breakdown either of the adhesive or the primer, but it is not all windows and it is not all boats.
 
The factory are aware of the problem and have researched and proved a solution involving different adhesives for dealers all over the world to implement
 
This problem is not unique to Hanse and several major boat builders have had to find solutions, mostly along the same lines.
 
Hanse in the UK have responded immediately to every case that has been brought to their attention, have already fixed many boats and have in place a programme to cope with any new cases
 
Anybody detecting signs of detachment of their windows should contact their local dealer or distributor who will offer the factory supported solution whether the boat is within its warranty period or not.
 
Although the solution is seen as a permanent one, the current range of Hanse have similar style of windows but with a different and more conservative method of fixing.


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 23 April 2010 at 11:07
Of all things I have heard about Hanse UK dealer, they must be the best dealer of all dealers in the world.

Be happy if you live in the UK.


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 23 April 2010 at 14:22

yeah...great customer service in UK, but how about Russia??? Seems like i'm on my own???



Posted By: JohnA
Date Posted: 25 April 2010 at 20:38
 Credit where credit is due.

 Nothing is perfect and sometimes in manufacturing, things do go wrong. The measure of a good dealer is how they perform after something has gone wrong. We are lucky in the UK to have someone like Peter Thomas and his team. My experience is that if something goes wrong following delivery/commissioning, the Hanse UK team do something positive very quickly, and so the annoyance of something being wrong is soothed by good after sales service.

 It is a shame that, from reading of other owners experiences in other countries, it appears that the UK seems to be mainly alone in this experience and this is not good at all. Hanse needs to be made aware of this problem otherwise the boat builder will attract a poor reputation which may be due to poor after sales service due to dealer problems, rather than poor boat building. Having said that it must be very annoying to have leaks around such fundamental items as windows.

 A quick look around the Hanse yachts in my marina shows several different methods of window design, and some of them do not look to be very effective. The best appear to be the obvious mechanical fixed windows which rely upon a proper window frame. The Hanse 350 near to my 320 is not very old yet I noticed a couple of weeks ago that the port side saloon windows were literally delaminating from the side of the saloon so badly that they seemed in danger of falling off. A word with the marina managers resulted in a quick temporary repair with duck tape which is now completely sticking the window glass to the side of the coach work - not good at all!

 I hope that all you owners outside the UK can get satisfaction!

Regards,




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Hanse 320 #464 'Discovery'


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 26 April 2010 at 08:34

Not good at all to say the least...my boat is duct taped all around at the moment...still waiting for a dealer to react somehow...however it seems like their only response will be..."the boat is not under warranty anymore"...

Or hopefully they will simply reglue the windows and the windows will fall off after a season again...
 
This really amazes me to realise that more than 50% of all hatches and windows on the boat are leaking...this is...all saloon windows port and starboard, saloon hatch is severly leaking right on the table, aft cabin window is somehow leaking as well (the wood panel around it is ruined)
Ok and what else is left to start leaking??? I guess i should have looked to buy an older boat that wouldn't leak....


Posted By: nickfabbri
Date Posted: 26 April 2010 at 19:06
Just to confirm; Hanse Uk were unaware of the problem with my windows and did contact me within 2 hours of my initial post on this thread. For that i am extremely grateful

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Nick71
Hanse 320


Posted By: bjoris
Date Posted: 27 April 2010 at 23:14
I had my windows refitted last year, by Hanse themself. Now one of them are leakage again when heavy rain, but it looks like the windows have not come off this time so I hope it is just a fault with the sika around the window.

Last year Hanse showed me how you could discover if the windows vere about to come of, using a flashlight on the outside where it is clued you could then easily see air in the clude aireas... This time I can not see any air so I still hope it is just the sealant, but I am afraid this will not last for many years, and Hanse have confirmed to me that the new solutions on the new boats is not possible to fit on older modells...

Now Hanses repteam are in the west of Norway so they will be in my boat shortly, there are some work for them, both windows in the two aftcabins are also leaking, also the front hatch, and now I have even a mistorious leakage in the front of the boat... It sin simply not good

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H350#118
www.bjoris.blogspot.com


Posted By: Yemanja
Date Posted: 25 May 2010 at 21:02
Our windows started to leak after only one season. We also used ducktape to solve the problem. After a few months they repaired the windows in Workum, but damaged the inside strips of the windows and did not replaces them. I keep the blinds closed, so you can't see it. At least no more leakage.

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Hanse 320 #151


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 26 May 2010 at 18:42
My windows leaked already after 1 day so one season is long time for me.Wink

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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: Raptor
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 07:19
Henrik,
 
Have Hanse repaired your leaking windows yet?
If they stopped the leaks, what did they do to the Lewmar portlights?


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 09:48
Hi Raptor.
 
They made an emergency sealing of the windows. They will come tomorrow and to remove windows and do everything right from the start.
 
Will take some photos to share.
 
/Henrik


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: AnnSea
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 23:32
Hi Henrik,

my windows also leaked and were repaired by a shipwright who followed Hanse instructions. Unfortunately, the amount of Sika to use was not mentioned and he ended up using too little - this has resulted in the Sika shearing due to heat expansion, and now my windows are leaking again.

However, my dealer has organised new windows (in case the old ones break when being removed) and is paying for the shipwright to do all the work again. I don't know whether my dealer gets reimbursed by the factory or not but I am still exceedingly impressed with this sort of service - especially as the boat is now 2 1/2 years old and is located 1600km from the nearest agent.


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Tim



AnnSea 370e #418


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 01 June 2010 at 23:43
The only sika you should use is Sikaflex 295 UV when you are sealing windows on boats.
 
For best results you also should use "butyltape" (don´t know the name in english). It is a sort of tape who is some mm thick and are sticky. It never dries, and then use sikaflex around the tape.
 
people who change car windows use it and I hade it on my previous boat and it worked for over 10 years.
 
I will check how they do it tomorrow when they change my windows.
 
/Henrik


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: MisterM
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 10:48

Having picked up my 320 from the Dutch dealer in Workum last week, I had the same problem. Apparently I have been delivered an older (Smartline)version, with Sparcraft mast and Facnor furling installation, and, indeed, the leaking windows. Was repaired with huge amounts of Sikaflex, which is not a pretty sight. They are waterproof now, luckily. But windows being replaced by other dealers in other countries means that this should be standard procedure in Holland as well?



Posted By: coriolis2
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 15:37
Henrik, they started with the change out of our windows today, discussed the details with him this afternoon. Instead the SIKA 295UV, 222UV will be used, which is exactly the same only without the expensive letters 'Maritime' on the canisters, furthermore the UV shielding tape will be used on the outside. Will make some pictures during the process. 
 
Regards, Rob


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"Coriolis" H350 #045 (ex Waarschip 570 #? 1987/1992, ex Waarschip 28LD #7 1994/2007)


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 07 June 2010 at 17:24

On my boat the used another brand i never heard of before.

He told me thar Najad, Hallberg Rassy and other expensive yachts only use that brand because it the best on the market in UV and water resistance.
 
/henrik


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: Raptor
Date Posted: 14 June 2010 at 15:43
Finally after waiting for a looooong time I have received two brand new Lewmar windowsClap The old ones have been removed and the new ones installed today. Crossing my fingers that the new ones will keep the water out.


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 29 July 2010 at 01:16
After 2 months of hopeless attempts to make any of the Hanse dealers in Russia actually adress to the problem of my leaking windows and hatches, I have decided to reglue it all myself - I cannot wait any longer as the season will end up...rather embarassing to realise that I'm on my own with this messy work...

I have spent the whole day resealing the starboard front window and then some hours fixing the saloon hatch (these were leaking the worst)...
Now I'm quite certain that the main reason for all the leakages are really poor quality of manufacturing at Hanse and really poor materials....when after many hours of strugling to detach the window I saw what's underneith I was laughing and crying at the same moment - the sika was simply missing in couple of spots...some spots really thick, some really tiny...these windows were attached by a drunk ***hole to say the least...I would instantly fire that employee if i saw how it's done...
The same thing applies to the hatch - I unscrewed all the screws and then prepared myself for hard work cutting off the sika - to my amusement I could simply lift the hatch and realised that a really small amount of sika was there - is sika so ^&$%ing expensive for the Hanse so as not to apply enough to make the hatch watertight???!!!!Angry
Sorry for my emotions, but to be honest I've never seen such a "new" boat ever before!!!

PS...there's 3 more windows to go...3 more wasted weekend days...Unhappy


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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: Raptor
Date Posted: 29 July 2010 at 07:51
After having spent 8 months waiting for the side windows to be changed and refitted, i discovered that the skylight in the saloon is leaking as well. Never ending story with my new boat and the hazzle of reminding hanse about my soaking wet boat. in the case of the side windows, hanse used too little sika and in the fitting process bent the lewmar hatches in trying to secure them to a curved surface. what do you get - leaking windows! suspect that the skylight hatch is suffering from the same issue - no or too little sika sealing the hatch. they for sure knows how to ruin a good product.


Posted By: shaukaas
Date Posted: 29 July 2010 at 11:25
Both my skylights, and all four windows are to be replaced soon according to my last correspondence with Fjord Boats in Norway.

As it has not happened yet; I'm struggling to believe that the boat will ever become what I ordered back in '08.


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S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171

LG3600 - NOR13510




Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 30 July 2010 at 16:19
I'm actually wondering why everyone's replacing the hatches and windows...what's the reason for complete replacement???

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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: nickfabbri
Date Posted: 30 July 2010 at 17:01
I talked to Hanse about this and they said that they can not ensure that the windows can be removed without damage. They also admit that the fault lies in one of their subcontractors providing a window sealant that was substandard.
For these reasons they are replacing the windows rather than just resealing them.although in my case, the windows were literally hanging off in place.

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Nick71
Hanse 320


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 30 July 2010 at 21:58
Hahaha...how can they be sure about anything??? If they cannot ensure proper installation of the new windows and hatches (without damaging) then it's definitely a mission-impossible to remove 'em without crackin' in halves...
In a little while I'll send some photos of how the hatches and windows were installed on my boat - there's multiple cracks in the plastic frames where the screws were tightened...you gotta be totally NUTS to do it this ways...I guess this is how Hanse keeps the prices low...there's simply no qualified employees working on the factory...Thumbs%20Down


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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: nickfabbri
Date Posted: 31 July 2010 at 07:26
Windsurfer, I must admit that over the last year I have read with interest and sometimes horror the apparent poor standard of installation. The post of the dissolved sail drive as well as the one where the engine bolts were missing sticks in my mind!
I heard from someone at Hanse that the initial problems came from the production line approach to boat building. Each worker is rushed to complete a job as quickly as possible and thus ( multiple) errors occur within a build slot.
I do however believe that Hanse dealerships around the world are aware of this and that at the comissioning stage, the individual dealers have a responsibility to ensure that the product is " fit for sale" .
I have real sympathy for your continuing struggle with your dealer in Russia. I also hear woeful stories from other nations and their dealerships.
I am fairly sure that if I had suffered the poor level of service that you have, then I would be totally disenfranchised with the brand. I'm sure that the higher echelons of a company that now own moody and dehler read these posts and that vociferous complaining may eventually get someone to listen and give the Russian dealers a good kick up the backside.
It seems totally incredible that if you pay a considerable amount of money for a boat that the windows are cracked ( you wouldn't accept a new car with a cracked windscreen).
Thankfully, the uk staff bend over backwards to help wtb even the most trivial problem and Im sure that the uk sales per capita will eventually reflect this high level of service.


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Nick71
Hanse 320


Posted By: Raptor
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 13:12
The question one might ask is why the huge difference in the level of service between the different dealers?
 
I firmly believe that a little more attention to details and the motto: "Get things right the first time" will do a lot to the Hanse boats. Repeatedly, I hear abt leakages and not enough sika applied.
 
I took Hanse 8 months to fix my leaking portlights. Now my skylight hatches are leaking. The boat is less than one year oldCry


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 02 August 2010 at 13:48
Nick and Raptor...as for the difference in aftersales service - I'm already used to this situation...the market is so small that there's simply not enough clients to actually "kick the dealer's butt"...why would they pay attention at my problems when they are stuck in a much more serious situation - they cannot sell any boat for more than a year!!!! Russia was always "blessed" with the worst yacht dealers on earth...

As for the skylight hatches, Raptor, I wouldn't even look for any dealer's help...it took me about 2 hours of work to remove and reseal the saloon hatch - now it's 100% watertight...piece of cake actually....
In contrast however, it takes many many hours of my precious time  to make all those stupid telephone calls and to send the messages to the dealers in a desperate attempt to adress them to my problem ...
I'm just simply wasting my #$@%ing time!!! Angry


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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: haggy
Date Posted: 25 September 2010 at 20:57
I have my boat since may this year. When we inspected a demo-model in Willemstad (Holland) we noticed that the windows in the cockpit were leaking. The representative admitted that there was a problem with the windows in the 320 series. In our boat we had two leaking windows. These were repaired a few weeks ago, with good result. There were a few minor technical problems with the automatic steering and the simrad windinstrument, but these were also repaired in short notice. So far only a good experience with the Dutch aftersales.


Posted By: Willem3
Date Posted: 26 September 2010 at 15:00
Hurray, at last my boat is watertight. WY repaired our windows two weeks ago and even the extreme showers of last week dit not make them leak. I am very happy.

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Regards, Wim

Hanse 320#405   White hull, wheelsteering, shallow keel, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig, bowthruster

Miss Marple


Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 26 September 2010 at 22:17
Henrik - I thought your yacht windows had been repaired with super mastic as used on 'superior' yachts. Do you have any theory as to why the windows have started to leak again after just a couple of weeks.

My yacht was built during June/July and I had previously been told that the builders were aware and that windows had been redesigned to solve the problems. So why did my yacht start leaking only a few weeks after taking delivery (including my forward hatch and in the vicinity of the mast support.

Water integrity is vital to safety at sea especially with our increasing reliance on electronics and electrical systems.

How long should windows and hatches be expected to remain watertight? Would a minimum of 10 years be reasonable?

Is it inevitable that windows and hatches in new Hanses will leak.

May your happiness last at least 10 years Wim.

Charles

    

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'MERIDIAN LADY'

320 Nr 536 2010

Medway


Posted By: AnnSea
Date Posted: 26 September 2010 at 23:28
Hi Charles,

my windows also started leaking again - my dealer said the problem was caused by not having a thick enough bed of sealer. Apparently the windows expand quite a lot in strong sun and if there is not enough sealer to allow for this expansion then you will have problems. I don't know if that theory is true or not but it does at least sound plausible.


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Tim



AnnSea 370e #418


Posted By: aquilo
Date Posted: 27 September 2010 at 08:19
Originally posted by CharlesP CharlesP wrote:

....

Is it inevitable that windows and hatches in new Hanses will leak. ....

    
 
 
Our 320 delivered may 2010: Not even a small drop of water SO FAR from the hatches/ or windows. I cross fingers!! (or: what's the real statistics? If you read this forum it seems that every 320 has/will have windos' leakage problems, even those having the "new type" of windows)
 
 


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Hanse 320
Norway


Posted By: shaukaas
Date Posted: 27 September 2010 at 11:29
Still, after two years/three seasons, I've got leaking windows & hatches.

Luckily a German picked up the phone when calling Fjord Boats in Norway; maybe it was Michael himself? (He never introduced himself...)

Anyway; I emptied my frustration - and hopefully new windows are on their way! Does anyone have pictures of the new version of the '320/350 windows from the outside? (I'm keen to see how the details for these looks like.)


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S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171

LG3600 - NOR13510




Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 27 September 2010 at 17:16
Shaukaas - I will check my photos but don't think I have any good external closeups of my windows.

However, have a look under 350 Hints & Tips I think for around 4th November 2009 for some good external close up views.

Charles

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'MERIDIAN LADY'

320 Nr 536 2010

Medway


Posted By: aquilo
Date Posted: 27 September 2010 at 19:11
320%20Lewmar%20windos
Originally posted by shaukaas shaukaas wrote:

Still, after two years/three seasons, I've got leaking windows & hatches.

Luckily a German picked up the phone when calling Fjord Boats in Norway; maybe it was Michael himself? (He never introduced himself...)

Anyway; I emptied my frustration - and hopefully new windows are on their way! Does anyone have pictures of the new version of the '320/350 windows from the outside? (I'm keen to see how the details for these looks like.)


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Hanse 320
Norway


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 27 September 2010 at 19:25
Here are one more photo



/Henrik


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: Henrik84
Date Posted: 27 September 2010 at 19:35
Hi member_profile.asp?PF=2766&FID=24 - CharlesP
 
Now one more window started leaking, its now 3 windows.

I think it can be the hull who change a littlebit when you sailing in hard winds.

We have been out in winds between 12-19 m/s with just the mainsail.

I have contact my dealer and they said it they will send someone again.
But i´m thinking to do it myself. I have change widows on about 30 boats before (not Hanse).
 
I think if you put some sika around the edges on the windows when they are in place, they will not leak.

/Henrik


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S/Y LaRey
Hanse 320 #430
Gothenburg, Sweden


Posted By: shaukaas
Date Posted: 27 September 2010 at 21:03
I belive the '10 windows won't fit into a '08 model - as the dimension of the windows are slightly different. I observed a 370 this summer with an upgraded version of the "old" windows; not the Lewmar ones as on the '10 models... I'm just curious if anyone have these mounted to their boat!

It's disappointing to read that even newer models have the very same problem with leakages. I think what Henrik says about sailing in hard winds might be some of the problem; the whole design is obviously a flaw.

If Hanse is not able to sort this out soon; I will bring them to court - sell my boat, and never by a Hanse again. Angry


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S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171

LG3600 - NOR13510




Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 28 September 2010 at 00:53
I can understand how stuck on windows will fail through differential thermal movement and flexing sooner or later, even with the best workmanship.

Surely framed windows and hatches should stay watertight if properly installed. I wonder whether Hanse installation is in accordance with the window manufacturers instructions?

Is it possible that water may come through the outer skin at another fitting and then migrate through the core before finding a weak spot in the interior skin.

The inner and outer skins would expand and contract differently at window openings. Are the two skins properly sealed to each other?

I have not seen how the openiings In the grp were formed on my boat. What about you Henrik and Shaukaas or anyone?

Charles

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'MERIDIAN LADY'

320 Nr 536 2010

Medway


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 28 September 2010 at 16:54

I have just finished the procedure of reattaching the windows on my boat...almost a week of titan work especially when removing the windows while trying not to damage them...The rear port side was the hardest to remove as more than 1/3 of it was glued to the hull where there is no access from the saloon...

For now the boat is watertight and I cross the fingers...however I've got strong doubts on weathing this will actually last...the whole idea is really stupid to say the least...the hull is not rigid at all...some heavy sailing and there we've got problems again like Henrik at the moment...by the way are there any screws on those new windows??? I've decided not to drill my existing windows and make it all look like a piece of s#.t and I've decided not to use the marine sika...I've used the silicone compound which is used to attach the windows in a car...let's see how it works...the cars are not rigid and there's no screws involved...
 
I wish everyone luck...you guys will need it...remember one thing though...If you want it done well - do it yourself!!
 


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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: Gran Onada
Date Posted: 28 September 2010 at 22:10
I do not agrre with you, our Hanses have some of the strongest hulls and most rigids, you sail in a Bavaria, every time you can hear like is going to break.

The problem with the windows is the change of temperatures Metraquilate has a high dilatation coeficient and it needs much Sika, which it also needs to be very elastic.


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Gran Onada IV - Hanse 350 #130


Posted By: shaukaas
Date Posted: 28 September 2010 at 22:25
Originally posted by Windsurfer Windsurfer wrote:

I've decided not to drill my existing windows and make it all look like a piece of s#.t and I've decided not to use the marine sika...I've used the silicone compound which is used to attach the windows in a car...let's see how it works...the cars are not rigid and there's no screws involved...


A friend of mine working as a professional car re-builder (cars for special applications etc) gave me the very same advice; and said the Sika products not necessarily are known to be the best ones in the "glue branch."'
But they are one of the cheapest... (No need to dig this deeper?)

I'll give Hanse 1 more try - if they do not attempt to fix it; I'll bring them to court. If their attempt fails (after a year or two) - I'll call my friend. LOL


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S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171

LG3600 - NOR13510




Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 07:58
Gran Onada...yes I would agree Hanses are much more solidly buit than say..Bavaria boats but they are still not anywhere close to the dedicated all carbon racing yachts that are mouch more rigid....but we aren't talking about who's more rigid...all glass or epoxy hulls are supposed to be changing their shape slightly under heavy loads...this is in their nature...
Stian...I wouldn't really wait for the Hanse to solve this problem and would call a friend right away...It's better to be sailing than sitting in a court...if you stick with Hanse thinking that's your salvation I'm quite sure you'll eventually end up knee deep in a suit routine...


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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: shaukaas
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 09:40
Originally posted by Windsurfer Windsurfer wrote:

Stian...I wouldn't really wait for the Hanse to solve this problem and would call a friend right away...It's better to be sailing than sitting in a court...if you stick with Hanse thinking that's your salvation I'm quite sure you'll eventually end up knee deep in a suit routine...

What else to do during the long and cold winter in Norway? Sitting in a warm and comfy court-room; juiced up by tax-payers money: with all my good Hanse-friends - bringing Hanse Yachts  AG to justice! It would warm my heart. Selling the boat and by a "French madame" will keep that grin on my face, like the super-rich Russian guy who granted that 300ft super-yacht with two helipads as a gift to "one of his friends"... LOL

No, seriously - I would like Hanse to actually prove me wrong by fixing this. I know they are working hard on this; there is a new dealer in the west of Norway dealing with this now - and being a "french boat dealer" at the moment; becoming a "german boat dealer" soon - I'm condifdent they'll do their best to sort things out. Fjord Boats has so far been a great dissapointment; all they give me is lies, lies & lies... Sorry to say.

(But they've fixed two things: New O-rings for my Jefa-thing, and arranged for that Jefa-drive to be repaired. Poor Fjord Boats - to much trouble after Nelson Marine to rectify; while trying to sell a few of them new boats during the financial crisis...Dead )





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S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171

LG3600 - NOR13510




Posted By: Gordon Harrison
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 14:49
Has anyone replaced the rubber seal on the opening window hatches yet.  Our 320 has developed an intermittent leak from one of the hatches and looks like its from the rubber seal.  Am I correct in thinking the seal is fitted over ther perspex and clamped between the inner and outer metal frames. Our 320 has the glued in main saloon windows with the small lewmar hatches.

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Gordon


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 29 September 2010 at 20:41
Stian...good luck with your newborn dealer or...good luck pumping out some $$ from Hanse AG after those legal proceedings...maybe they would present you with a brand new 630 instead...Cool
Gordon...I've just removed and reinstalled both of the small oval hatches inside of the windows...both of them leaked a bit, but not in a place of a rubber seal...they leaked where sika was "carefully" applied by Hanse...I unscrewed the frames, reapplied enough sika and reassembled it all...2 hours of work and they're watertight again...Also check if there's any sand or debris on the rubber seal...clean it all, apply some silicone grease and check for leaks once again...it might do the trick...

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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: Gordon Harrison
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:30
Windsurfer thanks for reply.  Are you saying that the rubber seal does not form a seal between the outer frame and the perspex fixed window and that sealant does that. 

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Gordon


Posted By: shaukaas
Date Posted: 30 September 2010 at 10:57
I wont spend a single penny, nor do I expect to get a 630 back from Hanse. All I want is a 320 according to the specifications and the contract i signed up for - being built as a sailboat its normal to expect it to be waterproof, usable and safe.

My insurance company has the responsibility towards my bank to assure that the value of the boat is greater than the legal value. IF, for some reason, the boat is damaged - the insurance company will have to pay for the needed reparations. In the next phase, the insurance company will track down who is responsible - and claim their expenses back.

As I - as a owner - has done nothing wrong, there is only one way to aim for the responsible: HANSE! Evil%20Smile

I'm able to provide written proofs of all my attempts on a productive dialogue, to avoid further damages to the interior of the boat. I doubt that anyone from the Hanse-team is able to provide any proofs that they've even tried to fix anythings - except for spending months and months running in a circle, pulling their hair...


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S/Y Nadun - Hanse 320#171

LG3600 - NOR13510




Posted By: Janni
Date Posted: 03 October 2010 at 09:53
I would call the problem an "epedemic failure".
I have scanned through the posts in this subject with the result, that only Aquilo has no problems. All others have issues, independent from the age of the boat:
               Windows leaking     / repaired /success
Shaukaas     171     Nadun      yes     / yes / no
Windsurfer     79          yes          
Gordon Harrison          yes          
Aquilo               no          
Charles P     536     Meridian Lady yes          
Henrik84     430     LaRey     yes / yes / no
Willem3     405     Miss Marple     yes / yes / yes
MisterM               yes          
JohnA          Discovery   No            
Nickfabbri          yes / yes / yes       
Yemanja     151          yes          
hazyblue          yes          
Raptor               yes          
Haggy               yes / yes / yes
I am in contact with two other owners of H320, who also have the leaking window issue.

Janni
Reply from Nickfabbri edited into the post


Posted By: JohnA
Date Posted: 03 October 2010 at 11:22
Hi Janni,

 This is an interesting and informative piece of research. I note that you have included my 320 'Discovery'.

 Strictly speaking, I do not have a problem with leaking windows (at least hopefully, not yet). I do have a small leak from the Lewmar saloon roof hatch, which I believe is due to a seating problem. I have recently brought this to the attention of my distributor, Inspirational Marine in the UK. As usual, they have reacted in a quick and very positive manner, and will be resolving the problem next week.

 I have to say that in the UK we are fortunate to have a distributor with a keen attention to after sales sevice. From reading many posts on this site it appears that this is not always the case throughout Europe and USA and this is a very great shame, as distributors are always the reflection of the overall manufacturer.

 For reference I will let you know the outcome of the remedial work.

Regards,

John


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Hanse 320 #464 'Discovery'


Posted By: Janni
Date Posted: 03 October 2010 at 13:15
Hi John,
I have edited the previous article accordingly. You are the second, who does not have a problem with the windows. I hope that others speak up, who do not have the leaking windows problem.
Usually, you are speaking up when you have a problem....
I still cross my fingers for our upcoming boat...

Janni


Posted By: nickfabbri
Date Posted: 03 October 2010 at 13:57
I too had leaking windows, which then turned into windows which were hanging off. Hanse actually contacted me over this issue as I was on here whining about it.
According to Hanse UK; when the windows were fitted in the 2008 model, they were using an untried adhesive that was meant to work through all boat movements. However it broke down with UV which has resulted in all the windows leaking.
Now as Hanse UK are going around the UK replacing every set of windows that leak without any question, it would appear as if this story holds water ( pardon the pun). I imagine the associated costs for all this are being passed on to the adhesive manufacturer.
I would say however that my new windows had been screwed in ( and then taped over) as well as glued . They look as good as they did and 6 months on have not leaked.
I hope this helps.

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Nick71
Hanse 320


Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 03 October 2010 at 16:33
Inspiration Marine are also in contact with me and I am hopeful that my leaks at 1 Lewmar window, 1 forward Lewmar hatch and above ceiling at mast support will now soon be resolved.

We hope the heavy rain which we are having at this time will stop so the windows etc can be repaired.

Charles

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'MERIDIAN LADY'

320 Nr 536 2010

Medway


Posted By: Gordon Harrison
Date Posted: 03 October 2010 at 17:23

Hope I am not speaking too soon, apart from one lewmar port light which has developed an intermittent minor leak, all other windows and hatches have so far been watertight (June 2009 320). I am keeping my fingers crossed.Ermm  I still have to suck fluff out of the bilges and I hope it does not change to pumping water.



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Gordon


Posted By: Drumduff
Date Posted: 04 October 2010 at 10:05
We have a 2008 320 and was contacted by hanse uk about the windows. Howoever so far they have never leaked so we are keeping a close eye on it.


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 08:16
Originally posted by Gordon Harrison Gordon Harrison wrote:

Windsurfer thanks for reply.  Are you saying that the rubber seal does not form a seal between the outer frame and the perspex fixed window and that sealant does that. 
Sorry Gordon...I seem to have missed this post...
Yes the rubber seal doesn't form a seal between the window itself...it does form a seal between the frame...then the frame is sickaflexed to the window and tightened with the bolts from both sides....so yes - there might be a leak between the window and the frame (my case)...
Use the hose to check where it's leaking...if the rubber seal isn't damaged I don't think it will leak...


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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: Gordon Harrison
Date Posted: 11 October 2010 at 17:37
Windsurfer  
 thanks for the reply, I have yet to sort this problem, so now I know what I have to deal with. I guess you have seen enough on this subject.


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Gordon


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 20:52

Have been erasing the photos from my camera and found a picture of what you probably wanna see, Gordon...

It's obvious that the rubber seal is not likely to be the main source of problems...
 


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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 21:02
Here's what you should see after installation...the excess sika all around the hatch...you can easily remove it later when it cures....
This is how you can be sure it won't ever leak...
 


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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: Raptor
Date Posted: 14 October 2010 at 22:12
due to leaking hatches, i have refitted the old hatches with two brand new ones. still water trickles into the boat. i find water dripping onto the cushions every time after a rainfall. the hatches have been inspected and after a long hosetest found that the hatches are watertight between the frame and the hull. contacted lewmar uk and they suggested that i remove the small rubber gaskets on the locking mechanism. in addition they recommended that you regularly apply silicone on the rubber seal. have not experienced any more leaks.

i also have water leaks in the two skylight hatches. these hatches are painted white and the paint, for some reason, is coming loose from the hatch frame and water coming into the boat. waiting for the hatches to be removed and new ones refitted. hard to believe on a boat that is just over one year old.


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 07:56
What do you mean painted white Raptor??? aren't they supposed to be black on  our boats???
 
I keep wondering where the dealers stack up all those removed/replaced windows and hatches...do they send them back to Lewmar??? With so many replacements It appears that Lewmar factory should be totally busy just dealing with warranty issues...


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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: Raptor
Date Posted: 15 October 2010 at 08:22

i'm referring to the skylight hatches above the saloon table and in the front cabin. they're spray painted white originally from lewmar as opposed to aluminium frames without any paint. it's challenging keeping the hatches watertight when the paint is detached from the aluminium frame. on my hatch you could actually just lift off the hatch after loosening the fastening bolts. no sika left on the hatch frame.



Posted By: Merinalle
Date Posted: 10 April 2011 at 16:07
Originally posted by Windsurfer Windsurfer wrote:


As for the skylight hatches - - - it took me about 2 hours of work to remove and reseal the saloon hatch - now it's 100% watertight...piece of cake actually....


Windsurfer,
I would be more than happy if you could describe how to remove the hatch. Yes, another leaking Hanse.

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320#166


Posted By: Gordon Harrison
Date Posted: 14 April 2011 at 11:26
Good service from Hanse UK.
After a few months sealed with plastic, our port lewmar window has been fixed. This had an intermittent leak when the boat was about 11 to 12 months old which developed slight leak.  
Smile


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Gordon


Posted By: JohnA
Date Posted: 15 April 2011 at 09:57
On the same subject, our 320 'Discovery' had a leak to the Lewmar saloon flush hatch. Although we are berthed some 150 miles from Hamble where the UK distributer is based, they dealt with it quickly and efficiently. A few weeks later when the boat was on the hard for winter we saw that the sail drive rubber fairing had detatched from the hull (quite a common occurance so I am told). Again the UK distributer came down and quickly solved the problem. I have to say that in the UK we are blessed with a distributer who really cares for it's customers. Regretably, on reading the forum, it would appear that this is not always the case across Europe, which is a great shame as Hanse is such a good brand. A manufacturer's reputation is often limited by the efficiency and care offered by it's distributors and Hanse  really should take this on board (no pun intended).

 On another subject, we have just taken delivery of a Hyde gennaker and snuffer. We are looking forward (with a little trepidation) to using it over the next few weeks. I know that Gordon Harrison has one and I would always appreciate any tips he has for us on the subject!

Regards,

John


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Hanse 320 #464 'Discovery'


Posted By: samuel
Date Posted: 15 April 2011 at 19:09
JohnA
I am sure, like me, you will like Hyde sails. I have used them for years & they are great value
However, dump the snuffer - it is useless
When you hoist the sail you have to stop & pull some of the sail out as it bunches up
If you pause for breath half way though pulling up the plasic mouth  it will swing about & smash your deck light.
When you get it up - if you pull too hard the whole lot jams up. This can be solved by putting a longer halliard extension in side it
The down haul rope is often on the wrong side of the sail so it is difficult to pull down.
I use mine single handed & it is better to undo the bag, go back to the cockpit & hoist it fast. It is easier without the weight of the snuffer
When dropping it have a long tack line lead back to the cockpit so you can release from the cockpit & the end will also reach you. Then drop it straight into the cockpit whilst handing the halliard
 
The sail itself will be good
 
Daydream Believer


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Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 16 April 2011 at 00:52
Merinalle...The skylight hatch was one of the easiest things to fix on the boat...in my case it took about 15 minutes to remove the hatch. I unscrewed the decorative frame underneith the hatch to make sure it wouldn't be damaged during the removal/reinstallation...then I unscrewed the hatch itself and was surprised that the hatch could be quite easily lifted up...when I lifted up the hatch I noticed that there was just a tiny layer of sika underneith (is it how Hanse keeps the prices down???). I carefully removed the remains of sika from both surfaces, degreased them with a solvent (be careful not to spill any solvent or acetone on the acrilyc glass as it will most likely damage it). I then used a fair amount of Simson marine construction adhesive to apply a reasonably think layer, reistalled the hatch and tightened the screwes gradually untill fully tight...then I removed excess sealant around the hatch and underneith the hatch in the saloon...make sure the sealant doesn't protrude too much as it might interfere with the decorative frame...place the frame and make sure it doesn't get in contact with sika otherwise you will never remove it later if required without destroying it...
screw the frame in, clean up...that's about it...it took me about 2 hours of messy work, but now (fingers crossed) nothing leaks even under heaviest rains of HP pumps...

And make sure you clean your hands and all the tools as fast as possible after the job is done (Simson adhesive is terribly hard to clean off when dry)

Good luck...I didn't make any pics unfortunately...maybe you will make some so that other people on this forum will see how it's done...

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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: Merinalle
Date Posted: 16 April 2011 at 06:38

Windsurfer,

Thank you very much. That is exactly what I wanted to know!



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320#166


Posted By: JohnA
Date Posted: 16 April 2011 at 12:02
Hi Samuel,

 Thanks for your comments regards the Hyde snuffer. I hope that we're not going to get problems. I wonder if Hyde are aware of these problems? Also I wonder if all snuffers exhibit such characteristics? I know that another popular gennaker is that made by North Sails and wonder whether the same problems are exhibited when used with a snuffer. Does anybody out there have a gennaker, and what are their experiencies with hauling it up and down in a snuffer?

Regards,

John


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Hanse 320 #464 'Discovery'


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 16 April 2011 at 16:19
John...I've got the North with a snuffer...I would say it's a totally new dimension of single handed sailing...I can hoist and drop the genny down in seconds while the boat is tiller-pilot steered...without a snuffer I wouldn't even dare to use the genny on my own...The North system is very solid with a huge "toilet seat" and a big Ronstan block on top...the ring slides up and down with zero effort.. when it's more windy I even use the snuffer to tack without any risk....
Overall - Highly recomended...

I guess this is a slightly different topic to discuss it here...


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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: JohnA
Date Posted: 17 April 2011 at 23:55
Thanks Windsurfer. I have carried on with this link over on the topic 'Gennaker size and shape' as it is better dealt with outside of this current topic. Gordon Harrison has also joined in the discussion at that topic.

 I was a bit shocked to read your remarks regarding the snuffer and hope that I don't have similar problems. I really wanted the snuffer as I understand that the sail is far easier to set and douse by using a snuffer. Not only that but it was not exactly cheap to purchase!

 Please look at my further comments once I have had a chance to test the sail.

Regards,

John


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Hanse 320 #464 'Discovery'


Posted By: Merinalle
Date Posted: 01 May 2011 at 18:16

Windsurfer,

Sometimes while reading your posts I have had a feeling that your Hanse has been built, how to say it politely, not too customer-friendly. The installation of the leaking hatch seems to be an exception. Our leaking hatch was installed not only with the screws, but with a lot of sikaflex, too. Of course, it didn’t mean that the leaking hatch would be watertight. It just took some years to work correctly. That is, to leak.

In case someone with a leaking hatch is reading this, let’s be serious again. The surrounding of the flush-mounted hatch frame is quite difficult to reach. I tried to remove the hatch as described with Lewmar’s instructions, but with no success. Anyway, I think it is good idea to try to do the job correctly. If you are lucky enough like Windsurfer, you may get the frame removed. Then you can seal and reinstall it just like the Hanse people should have done it in Greifswald. Just remove all the visible screws from outside, and the decorative frame with covered screws.  And, read the Lewmar instructions.

As mentioned, I couldn’t do the job correct way. After refitting the screws with sikaflex, I used “Capt. Tolley’s Creeping Crack Cure” and a small sable brush to seal the frame. I don’t believe too much to magic products like this, but now the hatch seems to be watertight. If it starts to leak again, I’ll fix it with duct tape until an expert can do it correctly.



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320#166


Posted By: Drumduff
Date Posted: 23 June 2011 at 15:57
Oh dear!!!!! Now our windows are leaking!! Thankfully I found them just before we were about to cross over the Irish sea after we had started our summer holiday. That could have caused us a bit of a problem had we got caught in bad weather especially as the weather has been a bit unpredictable up in Scotland. I Found one of the windows just holding by the ends. You could push it out with big gaps in the top and bottom of the window. We diverted into Kip marina & credit to Hanse as they quickly organised a temporary repair that allowed us to go on holiday although we had to re-plan as in no way was I going to risk going across the Irish Sea with windows temporary being held in place with a bit of sealant! I'm told that new windows will be fitted once they are sourced.
Wondered if we the last of those 2008 batch of boats to develop this common fault? If not would it not be better to just recall all those boats that are thought to have the potential problem before someone does get caught out.  


Posted By: aquilo
Date Posted: 15 August 2011 at 10:46
Originally posted by Janni Janni wrote:

I would call the problem an "epedemic failure".
I have scanned through the posts in this subject with the result, that only Aquilo has no problems. All others have issues, independent from the age of the boat: ...
 
Yesterday i noticed some leakage from the Lewmar saloon flush hatch. The water seems to find its way between the deck and the black rubber strip attached underneath the hatch. 
 
The flush-solution has a drainage "pit" in the deck around the hatch, but  the water seems to stay in the pit maybe due to the boats longship leveling is a bit towards aft (empty water tank). I think the standing water around the hatch will sooner or later find its way between the hatch and deck. The rubberstrip seems too soft to keep the water 100% out.  Any of you experienced this? 
 


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Hanse 320
Norway


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 15 August 2011 at 11:13
At first I thought it's about the rubber strip...hell no...it was a lack of sealant underneith the lower part of the hatch...you have to make sure it's not about this...

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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 18 August 2011 at 01:01
I had standing water in the drainage channel of my saloon hatch during the winter. It leaked slightly passed the rubber seal. I cured it by coating the rubber with Vaseline.

Charles

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'MERIDIAN LADY'

320 Nr 536 2010

Medway


Posted By: White Lines
Date Posted: 18 October 2011 at 09:30
We also had our windows fall off. I was absolutely disgusted as the West Wales coast is not a forgiving environment. After complaining to Hanse Yachts in the Hamble, they blamed a bad batch of sikaflex. They replaced the windows within a few months and made a very good and clean job of it too. We have had no problems since despite some batterings off shore.


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Hanse 320 #154 GBR7888L


Posted By: aquilo
Date Posted: 31 October 2011 at 13:18
< =text/ ="//ajax.cloudflare.com/cdn-cgi/nexp/v=49212922/apps1.min.js"> maybe you're right, Windsurfer...  The boat is now on shore and tilting a bit forward which caused water dripping from the screws in the small roof wooden panel in front of the hatch.  I'm not 100% shure where the leakage is but it could very well be the hatch/roof joining lacking sikaflex.
 
...hunting for small water leakages is not a funny task and surprisingly difficult  Confused
 


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Hanse 320
Norway


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 31 October 2011 at 13:26
The best way to hunt 'em down is to remove and reinstall all the hatches and windows at once...otherwise it's an endless story which could possibly ruin many of your sailing vacation throughout the season...

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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: aquilo
Date Posted: 01 November 2011 at 07:58
< =text/ ="//ajax.cloudflare.com/cdn-cgi/nexp/v=49212922/apps1.min.js"> In my case the seek is fortunately limited to the roof and through-deck fittings (hatch/alu frame, swan-neck cable entry etc..) near the mast. 
 
It might have arisede from the change of forces applied on the construction when setting the boat at her keel / stand.


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Hanse 320
Norway


Posted By: Louba
Date Posted: 13 January 2012 at 12:08

My ship has also leaks at the windows and hatches. It's been 18 months I expect they are replaced, and nothing happens. The seller does nothing.Colère

Mon bateau a aussi des fuites sur les fenêtres et trappes. Cela fait 18 mois, je m'attends à ce qu'ils soient remplacés, et rien ne se passe. Le vendeur ne fait rien.



Posted By: Old Finn
Date Posted: 13 January 2012 at 13:49
Hi Louba,
I have send you an pm.

axel


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S/Y Indian Summer H 320#411 - Sail today, work later


Posted By: Old Finn
Date Posted: 15 January 2012 at 12:19
Hi Oliver,
have look in your pm - box. I´ve sent a picture to you.

axel


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S/Y Indian Summer H 320#411 - Sail today, work later


Posted By: Louba
Date Posted: 15 January 2012 at 18:45

HI  Axel.

Thank you very much.
My English also is not very good. To correct myself, I use this site:
http://translate.google.com/" rel="nofollow - http://translate.google.com/ #
By deck panel, I mean, the window of the bridge of the cabin before is unstuck on half of the surface.

 
 


Posted By: aquilo
Date Posted: 03 April 2013 at 10:37
Originally posted by CharlesP CharlesP wrote:

I had standing water in the drainage channel of my saloon hatch during the winter. It leaked slightly passed the rubber seal. I cured it by coating the rubber with Vaseline.

Charles


The rubber seal not tightening 100% is the reason for the leakage here too. Coating (even a lot of) Vaseline was not enough.
I see from picture that Lewmar original has a second outer seal on their flush hatches.


 Anyone seen this kind of sealings on a Hanse boat?




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Hanse 320
Norway


Posted By: Louba
Date Posted: 03 April 2013 at 12:23
30 Is it the hatch of the aft cabin?
pirat


Posted By: aquilo
Date Posted: 03 April 2013 at 13:04
Hi, the picture is a product photo from Lewmar web site (not sure of boat brand). The leaking hatch is the the roof hatch right aft of the mast. The draining is designed to work well only when the boat is leveled at right angel. If the waterline is slightly lower aft (i.e. empty water tank and full diesel tank),  the water will stay around/over the hatch sealing and will at some point find its way between the sealing and the frame.

Maybe an additional outer sealing as shown on picture will solve the problem.




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Hanse 320
Norway


Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 03 April 2013 at 22:16
It is a different type of hatch. It looks deeper. is the seal a bit thicker? The one on my yacht has two locking arms.

Charles

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'MERIDIAN LADY'

320 Nr 536 2010

Medway


Posted By: aquilo
Date Posted: 04 April 2013 at 07:45
I'm not sure but to me it looks very similar to mine. The one on the picture is a rather small hatch, hence one arm and the proportions make it look deeper.


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Hanse 320
Norway


Posted By: CharlesP
Date Posted: 04 April 2013 at 19:56
I thought our Lewmar hatches were standard so you should be able to find them as well on the website. Then you can compare the depth for each type. I agree that what you have found seems to have a much better seal.

Charles

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'MERIDIAN LADY'

320 Nr 536 2010

Medway



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