myHanse.com - Hanse Yacht Owners Website myHanse.com - Hanse Yacht Owners Website myHanse.com - Hanse Yacht Owners Website myHanse.com - Hanse Yacht Owners Website

Welcome to myHanse.com the forum for Hanse Yachts owners throughout the world.

Forum Home Forum Home > General > Chit Chat
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Sail triming and reefing system, help??
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Sail triming and reefing system, help??

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
Message
berkyy View Drop Down
Sub Lieutenant
Sub Lieutenant


Joined: 25 May 2013
Status: Offline
Points: 4
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote berkyy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Sail triming and reefing system, help??
    Posted: 25 May 2013 at 20:43
Hi,

We have  our Bossa Nova 445  since two month now. Soon I'll share my humble experiences since I received it from Portoroz as well as few improvements we made on the boat.

Now we are sailing at south of Turkey. I have few questions concerning reefing system and sail triming. First of all I'm not really convinced about the second reefing. When the pulley is away from the boom the sail feels baggy. When I'm pulling it down the pulley is touching the boom and the pulley is getting damaged. Ant suggestion?
 
An other question is about the place of the reefing lines. I guess they should pull the outhaul of the sail to the end of the boom. Is that right? Because when I received the boat it was at the opposite direction.

 
Finally I have a last question about sail trimming. When the TWA is like150 the main sail is strongly touching the spreader. It's damaging the main sail. Any suggestion?
 
Thanks for your help...
 
Berky
Back to Top
panos View Drop Down
Admiral
Admiral
Avatar

Joined: 02 March 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 1924
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote panos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2013 at 22:31
Hi,
A) the stern attachment to the reefed main looks wrong, but without more general pictures I cannot suggest anything besides the fact that a block is needed.
B) the main touching the spreaders is NORMAL. You just have to glue some protective layers on top of the main to protect it. Several sets are needed (for not furled main, forf once reefed main,...
Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -
Back to Top
CharlesP View Drop Down
Admiral
Admiral


Joined: 23 September 2010
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 1193
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CharlesP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2013 at 22:44
In photo 1, there is an eye on the mast just near the boom. Your reefing line should go through this eye and then go down the mast to the block at the foot of the mast. If you do this, the block will only be pulled down as far as the eye and will not hit the boom.

The reefing lines in your third and fourth photos are wrong. One line goes to the end of the boom as you have it, but after it has gone through the cringle hole in the sail it should go VERTICALLY down to the boom and be tied around the boom with a bowline knot.

The sail against the spreader is normal. If you mark the position and then take the sail to a sailmaker, he can sew patches on the sail to protect it.

Charles
'MERIDIAN LADY'

320 Nr 536 2010

Medway
Back to Top
silversailor View Drop Down
Vice Admiral
Vice Admiral


Joined: 25 May 2005
Location: South Haven, MI
Status: Offline
Points: 882
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote silversailor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 May 2013 at 23:16
Spreader patches are now available with self stick adhesive.  You can purchase from sailmaker and apply yourself.
Silversailor
South Haven, MI USA
S/V Legacy
Hanse 370e, #9
Back to Top
panos View Drop Down
Admiral
Admiral
Avatar

Joined: 02 March 2008
Status: Offline
Points: 1924
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote panos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2013 at 04:13
Referring to picture#1, the short strap connecting the sail to the block is too long. I suggest to rig it "double" so that it's length is halved. In this way you will not need to pull the block so close to the boom.
Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -
Back to Top
MisterM View Drop Down
Commander
Commander
Avatar

Joined: 02 May 2010
Location: Monnickendam NL
Status: Offline
Points: 144
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MisterM Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2013 at 07:41
In addition: on my boat the reefing line at the front of the sale is attached to the D-shackle, not the O-ring, as you show on your picture. I am not sure which setup is correct, but in your picture it looks like you can almost pull the D-shackle to through the sail, which then would be the wrong set up. And indeed as Panos said, the strap between the D-shackle and O-ring is quite long, and then by adding the block, the reefing eye is too far off from the boom, creating a bad sail shape. The reefing eye needs to be close to the boom.
In my case, the boat was delivered with no blocks attached at the reefing lines at all. I am not sure that that is correct?
 
Machiel.
H385 #208 "Van Bree" - light grey hull
Back to Top
samuel View Drop Down
Admiral
Admiral


Joined: 26 December 2004
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 1976
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 May 2013 at 08:47
In your picture there is a loop on the front of the lazy bag ( or is it just the batten end)
I have a loop with a line attached to this which goes around the mast & back to the corresponding loop the other side
It helps the lazy bag to sit up better when sail is hoisted
Panos has suggested a block on the leech. Some sailmakers will provide this with the sail & this will work
However, i do not have this & i found that the weight of a loose block tended to make the leech flutter
But this may not happen to you as your mainsail is somewhat bigger

Edited by samuel - 26 May 2013 at 08:48
Daydream Believer- Hanse 311- No GBR9917T- Bradwell Essex
Back to Top
Swanji View Drop Down
Captain
Captain
Avatar

Joined: 28 March 2012
Location: Greece
Status: Offline
Points: 348
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Swanji Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2013 at 09:00
Hi Berkyy

In case you haven't resolved your problem of reefing and assuming you have corrected the way the reefing lines are supposed to be fitted as Charles has pointed out, I have found that unless you have an upgraded vang with a gas strut that is able to lift the boom to about 5 degrees ABOVE the horizontal when reefing, it is necessary to head into wind, release the mainsheet which pulls the boom down, release the kicker/vang which does the same, release the backstay and then reef. Marking the main halyard is a huge help. Winching the reefing line down to the boom after releasing the main halyard to the mark will ensure that you get the clew right down to the boom. This method works for both reefs. The downside is that the jib flogs which is not ideal.

I think that the gas on our upgraded vang needs to be refilled. Once this has been done, there should be no need to have to head directly into wind. I am hoping to be able to reef without having the jib flog.

Hope this helps
Onwards and upwards

Nidri, Levkada, Ionian, Greece

Hanse 350 #7, SY Evolution, standard keel, 3YM20 sail drive, 3 cabins, cherry wood interior, teak decks, feathering prop
Back to Top
CharlesP View Drop Down
Admiral
Admiral


Joined: 23 September 2010
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 1193
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CharlesP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2013 at 11:06
We reefed with two reefs yesterday in 16 knots shortly before 25 knots hit. We did not have to use winches on the reefing lines and we were not directly into the wind so the main was not flogging.

Charles
'MERIDIAN LADY'

320 Nr 536 2010

Medway
Back to Top
Swanji View Drop Down
Captain
Captain
Avatar

Joined: 28 March 2012
Location: Greece
Status: Offline
Points: 348
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Swanji Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 June 2013 at 11:15
Hi Charles
 
That is amazing - I would love for our system to work like that!
 
I have changed the reefing lines to 8mm whuch has definitely helped matters but we have to use the winch to get the clew down to the boom.
 
Do you use the topping lift at at all to raise the boom a little? Anything else you can think of?
 
 
Onwards and upwards

Nidri, Levkada, Ionian, Greece

Hanse 350 #7, SY Evolution, standard keel, 3YM20 sail drive, 3 cabins, cherry wood interior, teak decks, feathering prop
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.04
Copyright ©2001-2015 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.094 seconds.

Links : www.hanseyachts.co.uk www.hanseyachts.com www.fjordboats.co.uk www.dehler.co.uk www.varianta.co.uk