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    Posted: 22 July 2018 at 08:48
So,

After unsuccessfully trying to sell my 341 I must now replace my Jib. I only cruise so high performance is not a priority.

At the moment I am looking at a Hyde sail from Hyde Sails Denmark in Rudkobing material probably their CDX Polylaminate or Elvström from Aabenraa - Radial Laminate DCX medium 387.

Any of our members have experience of any of the above materials or sailmakers?

I prefer to have a serious sailmaker who will come on board and check the measurements personally - not one who will out-source the manufacture to an overseas loft based on standard dimensions.

Any recommended Swedish sailmakers? They seem slower to respond to my queries than the Danish guys (Tack Danmark)

Skål/Cheers/Slainthe from Fåborg, Fyn, Denmark

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gshannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 July 2018 at 15:45
My last self tacking jb on Tangleberry was an Elvstrom Endurance laminate from 2004. It had a lovely shape, with a decent roach and 4 vertical battens. However this year it was showing signs of delamination and mildew which could not be cleaned. I ordered a new sail. This time I went with Dacron crosscut, using Challenge Marblehead cloth. I did this because I use that sail all year round and it gets exposed to plenty of sun and rain. If there is a difference in performance I can't discern it. The new sail also has a beautiful shape. Only 3 battens this time, but still a nice roach. 

My local sailmaker is Leitch & McBride, but in common with many these days, the sails are made in an factory in Sri Lanka which I believer is owned by Quantum. As far as I can see the quality is excellent. Tangleberry's factory supplied jib (from 2001) was hardly more than a rag, with a hollow leach and no shape at all in the top 1/3.

I still have a laminate genoa by Elvstrom for racing, and dues to less use and winter storage, is still in excellent shape after 14 years.

I am inclined to believe that the dramatic performance improvements reported for laminate jibs replacing the factory supplied sails would also be seen with a high quality Dacron sail.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote franko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 August 2018 at 17:19
Thanks for your input Grahame,

My sailmaker has now strongly suggested a High Modulus Dacron, but tri-radial cut, against the polylaminate. Here is what he says:

We do not use a lot of cruisinglaminates anymore as very good warp dacron is now available.
We offer the triradial dacron sails for our customers as with these styles you get the best of 2 worlds: Great strength and shapeholding and we avoid the known disadvantages of the laminates: They break easily when folded, problems with mould etc.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gshannon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 August 2018 at 20:05
Makes sense. My sailmaker made the same recommendation. The crosscut was my own choice for cost reasons and was possibly a mistake. But for now it is working well.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote franko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2018 at 12:39
This is the material I am now considering:

Challenge Newport Radial 8.1
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote H8jer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 August 2018 at 22:20
This is very cheap danish "sailmaker" that also has Challenge.
Sailmaker is mayby not the right word but retailer might be more correct.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote franko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2018 at 10:49
Thanks for that link.

I put a few details in their on-line order form and came up with almost the exact same price if I compared resensails Challenge Warp Drive against my sailmakers offer for Newport Pro Radial.
Life just gets more complicated !?  All these 1st World Problems.
I do like the idea of personal service, sailmaker comes on board the boat to take the measurements for example. Some things are worth paying for.

Any views out there about Warp Drive vs. Pro Radial?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Johan Hackman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 August 2018 at 19:47
Originally posted by franko franko wrote:

After unsuccessfully trying to sell my 341...


I want all my friends to be successful but in this case I am glad that it didn't work out.

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Maybe a 371 next Johan !

More storage space for cruising with whisky.

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Dream on, buddy!

(Just kidding of course, but you know that!)

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