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    Posted: 10 January 2018 at 12:22
Hi all

We have had our 370 from new since 2007. She's now approaching her 11th birthday and I understand that this is about the time you should be looking to get the standing rigging replaced (it might even be an insurance requirement, but I've not yet checked).

I've not been through this process before and would be interested if anyone can explain what is likely to be involved. I assume the mast would need to be dropped to do this work. Is there anything we should take the opportunity to check when the mast is down?

Also, has anyone had this done in the Solent area and can recommend anyone to do the work?

Finally, what is a rough ball park figure to have this work done?

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Hi, some thoughs based on experience:--
I live in east cowes.
I had to replace rigging on my 301 when rigging screws seized and were damaged taking down the mast for road transport,  I had the 301 brought from Beaumaris Marina Anglesey.

Jerry the Rigger did a fast [1 day] set of new rigging and checked and repaired a few little problems then put up the mast. This was in Gosport Quay Lane Boatyard [also highly reccommended].  Jerry the rigger works along south coast and is the approved rigger to check and approve ARC yachts.
Also very good is MacsRigging [Ian McCully] ex Spencers Rigging Cowes 07748118795.
Mac is very experienced having worked many years for Spencers traving the world rigging everything.
I believe Mac is very modile and would visit you on south coast should you need.

I would ask either of these Guys for an inspection first. I know Mac made good sound judgements of my rig in 2016 before we sailed round GB, he is sound technician, not just trying to line his pocket.

I am retired aircaft eng. with 40 years yachting , and I have built 2 masts from bare extrusions racing quarter ton classes.
In my opinion your mast should be down for a good inspection after 10 years anyway.
Ofton forgotton when your mast is down check and change any sheaves, better let Mac or Jerry do it.
All boatyards are not equal when it comes to rigging, get a rigging specialist, not just a yard?
Perry
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote bdh198 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 January 2018 at 13:22
Thanks Perry, some useful advice. I have heard of Jerry the Rigger on another forum, and if he can work at Gosport Quay Lane Boatyard that would be handy as we're currently berthed in Royal Clarence.

What, roughly, would we be looking at for a rig replacement? I know that's probably a bit of a "how long is a piece of string" question, but a rough figure for replacement of the standing rigging without any complications would be useful.
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- check/replace sheaves - also look for wear marks on halyards where the rope rests on the sheave
- check/replace masthead lights
- take photos of mast top while you can

- once mast is back up MAKE SURE your lights, radio and wind instruments work before you hand the money over.


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My insurance company, Craft Insurance working on behalf of Navigators and General, consider the 10 year rule as out of date.  So much depends on how often the yacht is used and the winds you sail in.  If you did have a failure, they would like to see evidence that the rigging was maintained well and that some formal inspection has been carried out at some time.

We sail on around 50-60 days a year, but aim not to do it in big winds or big seas.  I had the rigging checked on my 2003 Hanse 341 when I had the mast down 3 years ago (11 years old) and it was passed ok.  I have still to see the formal report from a recent inspection, but the rigger has advised me that the forestay could do with replacing, but the rest is ok. 

Whilst the mast is down, I also reverse the halyards, as the wear is concentrated in such a small area.  If you have not already done so, think about putting dyneema halyards in at the same time., as they do not stretch in strong winds.  When I did it, it was cheaper just to buy a full 100m reel.
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I had rigging changed on a 370 , on the UK east coast 2 years ago, cost was about 1.5k; the whole job was a little home grown using a fork on a fore end loader to lift mast and a rigger more experienced on dinghies than yachts.
You have 2 options , take mast off and service everything, so should be good for another 10 years.
The furling jib will need a full overhaul, if not it can eat the forestay. The cables in the mast are domestic 3 core, will be corroding , best to replace pref with tinned cable. The blocks may or may not be seized on halyards all need removing, checking, cleaning and replacing.
Best guess is a 3 to 5 k job if you pay someone for everything.

Second option is replace the D1 the lower diagonal as they have most work, we eat 1st set at 5 years. But a rigger will be in a far better positon than me to guess what is needed.

I am now of the opinion to pay the most experienced man you can find to do the best job possible , rigging fail off shore is not a good idea, also paying someone who is not fully experienced with your rig is a false economy.

Good luck

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