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    Posted: 04 September 2017 at 08:59
look to the bow: welding is still there but toggle dissepared, toggle (tackline genaker) is bended.
this happend in  light weather conditions :wind 12 knots en AWA 90.
I asked Hanse for a solution /suggestion to make it stronger
I send a letter to Hanse : answer "you're warranty is expired 3 months" 
This is not the answer you would aspect from a yacht builder!!

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote S&J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 September 2017 at 21:17
Like you I have a rigging screw to brace the gennaker tack connection at the forward end of the anchor fitting. Mine is holding together ok but the loop on the anchor fitting is just as bent as yours.
I have an asymmetric of approx. 90m2.
I got caught in some gusts earlier this year which broke the snap shackle on the sheet so I know the loads were high.
I do feel that this needs a more substantial design.

Hanse response is disappointing. What does your dealer say?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 415 Singapore Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 September 2017 at 08:10
Hi, we replaced the lower chain plate bolt with one with an eye on it rather than rely on a welded solution, seems to work well with both 130 sq m gennaker and 105 sq m code 0. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iemand Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 September 2017 at 08:40
How do you tighten your waterstay which looks like dyneema?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 415 Singapore Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 September 2017 at 08:50
Hi Iemand, I realised when I posted the picture that it doesn't really show the full situation as you cannot see the top of the bob stay because of where i took it from (port side in marina). But yes it is dyneema through the eye bolt back up to a large shackle under the front of the bow step several times. As there is no load on this until the gennaker or code 0 is used it just needs to be tight enough to hold everything nicely in place until the load comes on.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 415 Singapore Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 September 2017 at 09:07
Sorry didn't really explain it very well! The shackle slides over the Hanse welded tack attachment, the dyneema goes through the bottom of the shackle and the furler uses its own snap shackle to fix to the shackle. So the original tack attachment just holds it all in place but takes no vertical load. Next time I am at the boat I will take a photo from starboard side.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote J&J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2017 at 00:21
Hi Reading this thread , is the eye bolt tapped into the bow , thus it was a simple matter to unscrew the hanse countersunk head bolt and then replace with the eye bolt in your photo thanks
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 415 Singapore Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 October 2017 at 03:10
Hi, yes the standard bolted is tapped into the metal backing plate, so it is simple to take out
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Thanks ,I will do the same
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ariette Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 October 2017 at 12:46
I've taken a slightly different dyneema approach, shackling on a block to the anchor fitting and then a soft shackle from the dyneema to the snap shackle on the furler. Like Night Train the original and slightly bent fitting now just holds the dyneema when it is not under tension.
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