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    Posted: 23 February 2018 at 13:25
Hi everybody,
I sell Jib medium, with oriented wires, like new 105% 31.5 square meters, roller blind with vertical slats, very performing, both with light and strong wind.
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Hi everybody,
i'm just back from my first trip with my new H345 : more than 600 NM around Corsica.
I thougth that the boat would be slow, and i added a genoa to replace the self tacking (FCL sails)
I have been surprised by the speed even in low winds. I think that this boat is interesting (although evidently not a racer !) with standard main, self tacking and genaker. The genoa is a compromise because you may use it as self tacking when furling a few turns, but it does not add much speed.
I would not recommand the furling main, because you lose about 5 square meters, and above all the form of the sail is not good at all (i tried a H345 with furling main and decided noyt to buy one).
I have the shallow keel. The cape is 45 to 50 degrees from the Wind (with the genoa, probably better with the self tacking), but there is almost no drift, except when you have a crossing current.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mikki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 June 2017 at 21:39
You are right. I viewed the 345 in Sweden and talked to the owner. Decided in favor of another 34' boat yr 2010. She has usual main sail 60 sq m + genoa 62 sq m. Draft 1.82 m.  Lively boat, so far quite happy Smile
 
PS: the shallow keel with furling main still unsold.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mopoulter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 June 2017 at 16:08
Furling mains are for light air regions INMHO. The cloth must be thin so furling is easy and reduces the chance of binding or jamming. If you go off shore in strong breeze the sail be ruined. If the sail jams and you can neither get out to drop or in you could be in a very situation.
So bad shape, light air sue only  and a potential safety issue  for the "convenience" of rolling up a main that can be dropped in to bag  I don't get it.  
Shoal draft means you can't point as well. Sounds to me that the 345 does not do what you want to do.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Brufan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2017 at 12:43
If you want to swap the mast for a classic one, the standing rigging won't probably be the same.  The boom must be changes/modified as well to cope with (automatic) reef lines, then the deck hardware must be extended for reffing lines.
A lot of work and spendings to be done...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote samuel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 April 2017 at 08:06
Is the mast on a furling main much heavier than a standard mast? Presumably if you use a different track system you can remove the torque rod etc to lighten the weight aloft. Would you  be able to get fore & aft  bend in the mast as with the standard mast to trim the mainsail. ( You cannot when used as a furling one I am told)


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mikki Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 April 2017 at 21:25
That track fitting might be a good idea in other words modify the existing mast + new main sail. Genoa gives at lest 5 square meters more (vs. auto jib) which is approximately same as lost in furling main.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rubato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 April 2017 at 21:19
Understood. I wonder if you really have to change the mast or if there is a way to fit a track (like the StrongTrak for example). Not that you want to buy a new mainsail though I'm sure.
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Hi Steve,

I fully agree but because not that many used 345's are available I have to accept both furling main and shallow keel, neither one I like. Otherwise boat is fullly equipped with "everything" and the price is in line.

Fortunately genoa and code 0 are in the package.

Here I am trying to get an idea how much I am losing in performance and how well that sacrifice is compensated with two additionals sails ( I haven't purchased the boat, yet.)

How terrible would be the cost to replace the mast with ordinary one with lazy jacks etc.? New main sail costs some 4000 euros.


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Furling mains are generally smaller and less efficient than a standard main. Wouldn't think one would need one on a 345  - lazyjacks are fine for the size of the regular main.
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