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    Posted: 15 July 2018 at 12:00
SIMRAD = B&G = NAVICO anyway..Big smile   Furuno radar has a good reputation and my experience with it on one of my boats was good.   The only relevant point I'd mention is power consumption.   An analog radar (as opposed to the newer digital/broadband/chirp radar) will consume much more power and take a few minutes for the magnetron to set up.   Resolution can be somewhat less than today's radar as well.   For example,  Digital radar can often see the dinghy being towed by the boat and not just the boat.  Or give better shoreline clarity. 

For 10 years prior to building this boat,  we had RAYMARINE E120 and E80 analog radar / chartplotters on our boat.    People kept asking me when I was going to upgrade.  I kept telling them that the units did everything I needed (and more).   I never changed the electronics from the original equipment I had installed in 2007. 

Replacing things for the sake of having the latest and greatest is dumb.    If you have to spend the money anyway (something broke, or its a new boat and you are deciding what to put in), then do your research and be happy with those decisions for a long time.   It will often take you years to get to know your boat anyway...

As Wayne said,  you add up the numbers, make a value judgment, and move on...
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As I said I am looking to buy a Hanse 540e 2008 model with an asking price of Ä170k. So a furling main sail would be awesome but does not match with my budget.

Maybe when I upgrade on a newer boat that could be an option for me. The 575 is my dream so when you will sell her let me know Wink

Really appreciate all your informations you shared with me - will keep you updated!

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LunaRossa,

I think you will find the Simrad 24NM refers to the radar (24 nmile range). We have found often the information on websites about used boats can be wildly incorrect. To the point where the boat images shown are completely different boats of the same model but with, say different coloured hull. So you would need to check all the details are correct. Nothing wrong with Furuno equipment.

After seeing Rick's furling boom we looked at doing the same thing with our 575. There is a manufacturer in Europe who makes the same furler under license. But, the cost ended quoted as around E50,000 to supply,freight, fit the boom, new vang and new main sail. Elvstrom advised our current sail could not be re-cut to the furlers specification. So in the end we thought it was too expensive - a  shame but that's life.  

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Sailkoop,

Thanks for the correction, you are correct.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Black Diamond Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 July 2018 at 02:21
Keep in mind this was for a 575.   A 470 or 505 would be less

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Couple of thoughts

1. The furlboom option provided by Hanse for the 575 costs about $US55-60k.   I found this ridiculous. Taking the existing boom off and putting a Leisurefurl boom on costs about $US25-30K including labor.   I cannot comment on overseas prices.   You get the boom, a new and much better boom vang (you can sell the existing one) and all the mast work (mostly the luff tape groove)

2. A sail is cut special for the boom. The sailmaker (and I worked directly with Elvstrom in Denmark who made it that way new) gets package of specs from Leisurefurl based upon your mast and boom measurements.   Iím not sure if you can change an existing sail for use with the boom. I have the sailmakers package for the 575 and can send it to you.   You can then check with your sail loft to see what is possible.   Be careful.   The specs can vary based upon mast serial number. Itís usually fine but if there was a different lot of masts used when your boat was built things could be different

Let me know if you want the sailmakers package and the boom info. Send me your email in a private message and Iíll send it that way.

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Hi Wayne,
hi BjŲrn,
hi Rick,

many thanks for sharing your experience. I just checked the option list of the boat I am interested in and it says a SIMRAD 24NM. So I might have to change this system anyway? GPS is SIMRAD + FURUNO (no further details so far. 

@Rick: a furling main would be perfect for me, what do you think I have to calculate for a leisureboom upgrade? Can I still use my 2016 Elvstrom or do I have to chance this quite new sail as well?

Thanks guys for sharing!

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Sorry Wayne,
I have to interrupt! The fc 40 is the bad and the Rc 42 is the better one!!
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LunaRossa,

The "standard" equipment fitted by the factory in the 2005-2008 period would probably have been Simrad. The Simrad autopilots have been good and reliable. The heading compass connected to the autopilot can sometimes cause the boat to wander too much. The standard heading compass (RC42N Rate Compass) can be replaced with a Fluxgate version (FC40) which will probably improve the AP performance. This is not a high cost modification. When you do your test sail prior to buying your boat check how well the AP controls the boat particularly at low speeds.    
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Any upgrade is a matter of cost/value determination by YOU.      My wife and I got tired of folding sails and manhandling them under load.  Bigger boat.  Bigger sails to bend on.. etc..   After 35 years of sailing we decided it was OK to have electric winches and a furling main.  Its not cheap, though...

Yes... I mean the cost of changing the boom or adding electric winches.   For what its worth,  the two electric winches on a 575 are just fine.  No need to convert the others.    You need to shop around with riggers and at shows to see what deals are to be found.

We did not go with the standard Hanse furling main as it was too expensive.   In our case we went with a leisurefurl boom that was installed for less than half the cost.   We had it on our prior boat and were happy with it.  Putting the sail on in the spring is a matter of rolling it into the boom from the deck while loading the battens as you go.

If I couldn't afford a roller furling boom, there are ways to make things easier at lower cost.  Lazy jacks, single line reefing, etc..   If you are putting money into the boat, ask yourself what can be changed later versus what needs to be there at the initial purchase.  Some things cannot be changed easily (like the engine or the basic rig).  Other things, like cockpit cushions or electronics upgrades might be able to wait a couple of years...

You don't *NEED* some of these things, but it does make sailing easier for 2 people.   Reefing a roller furling main is a simple matter of rolling the main in to just below one of the batten points (there are six on our main).     It doesn't get much easier than that

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