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    Posted: 07 September 2017 at 21:52
I'm somewhat torn between the merits of a two, or three cabin variant of the 415. My current boat, a Ben. Oceanis 351 has three cabins - and it is useful for when we have guests and/or a larger crew - even though most of the time we sail as a couple.

However, I do find the cockpit lockers a bit small sometimes. To some extent the O351 makes up for this with a deep stern / lazarette locker (which I don't think the 415 has???) - big enough to stash 8 full size fenders, but the tender outboard still has to be bolted onto the pushpit plus the tender doesn't get anywhere near a cockpit locker - generally living inflated on the sugar scoop (my other question in this forum addressed this).  I fully accept the argument that the third cabin can be used as a shed - but that means carting everything up and down the companionway steps with associated faff.... and I was rather hoping that if I upgrade I'd be able to clear away the clutter that I seem to find around my decks all the time ;)

So, not withstanding the dinghy issue, does the 3 cabion variant have sufficient cockpit locker (or other deck locker) stowage for 8 fenders, outboard motor, fuel cans, fishing gear, warps/lines, bbq plus the usual hefty supply of beer ... Wink


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rubato Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 September 2017 at 00:43
BBQ and outboard go on the pushpit not the locker, that should start to help :)
I have an older 400e with 3 cabin, would still do it the same way....

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote S&J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 September 2017 at 07:41
Hi again Mark,
I had a single aft cabin in my Oceanis 321 and went for a similar layout in my 385.
I love having the ability to access the huge storage area from inside the boat as well as via a traditional cockpit locker lid.
Remember that with the double aft cabin you also give up half the galley (not sure if this is the same for 415). This was the deciding factor for us.
Our usage is mostly as a couple but I also frequently sail with two single crew and on these occasions one of them has to use the settee in the saloon.
Ultimately the choice probably depends on how often you would use the 3rd cabin. If only occasionally, think hard about giving up the convenience of permanent storage and a full size galley.

Edited by S&J - 08 September 2017 at 08:14
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Hi Mark,

we are at the moment ordering a 415 and I will take the two cabin version. On my current boat ( Hanse 341 ) have the two cabin version as well. We love this big storage locker which can be filled fromtop out of the cockpit.

I ask the dealer if it it possible to saw up the cockpit locker for having the same on a 415. He said that this is no problem. So we will do this. But for the decision 2 or 3 cabin ........ask yourself how often you have guests or how often you are missing space for all the things you want to have on board.

We only are only repining taking the A1 or the A2 version.

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If you are going to adhere to the old 642 maxim - invite no more than six for drinks, four for dinner and two to stay - then all you’ll ever need are two cabins. But if you might break with the maxim from time to time, order the option that allows you to convert the saloon seating into a double berth. (We have used ours twice in four years.)

The storage locker is huge. In addition to the large and well-thought out three shelf storage unit that Hanse provides, we have in our locker 6 large fenders, a fender-step, a 60 litre crate for engine spares and the like, a fridge / freezer, a water maker, the 2.6m dingy when deflated, the FurlStrøm, a Jordan Series Drogue (bigger than the FurlStrøm but smaller than the dinghy), four 20 litre diesel cans, numerous bags of ropes … and there’s still plenty of room for beer.

Not only that, we have a decent sized galley and related storage.



Edited by Touch of Grey - 09 September 2017 at 01:57
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote High Time Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 September 2017 at 13:13
OK - one vote here for the 3 cabin layout - just to (start to) balance the discussion.

Yes - it depends how often you want to accommodate extra guests but if it is only once a year the 3rd cabin might still make the difference between having the family overnight or not (and the saloon is a poor substitute for a 'proper' cabin).

Secondly, how much 'stuff' do you have in the 'shed' that you want to keep dry? Wet ropes and fenders will mean a big locker is always damp - not good for bikes and canvas items.

Other issues - how strong is your back for lifting items up from the depths of a big locker. Pushing the bikes up the companionway steps is easier for me that a straight lift out of a deep locker.
How do your arrange the big locker to avoid the item you want being buried when you need it?
 
Regarding losing the extra galley space, we have not found this a problem and have frequently prepared and cleared away meals for 6 without problem. Part of the (extra!) wardrobe in the 3rd cabin can be used for galley 'junk'.

The only downside is fender storage. You can accommodate a few in the (smaller) cockpit lockers and chain locker at the bow. However, we carry 10 fenders so inevitably some of these are tied on the stern rail. I know it can look scruffy (if you like your boat 'ship shape') but many boats are doing it these days and, again, it means you don't have to go rummaging in the depths to find the last couple of fenders.

We would have 3 cabins if we ordered again (but NOT a roller furling main!).



Edited by High Time - 09 September 2017 at 13:15
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I think it`s easier to sell a 3 cabin layout... 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mr Bluesky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 September 2017 at 09:32
I agree with High Time. To add to this side. For us the boat is all about family and friends, making them feel welcome and not a himderence will only encourage them back, if they feel a nuisance they may not feel so wanted. We mostly sail May - October living in the U.K, mostly just as a couple, but at least once a month our family join us, and add to that friends, and the shed is just as much a berth as stowage. Anyway the third cabin is also good as a passage cabin if you have 4 people on board, as the V berth is not so good for getting sleep overnight, it means two can sleep in separate cabins whilst two remain on watch.
I completely understand the shed instead of cabin argument, this is just what works best for us at present. Our close cruising friends have also shared this argument until this season, when out of the blue they are talking two cabins both ensuite - very posh, but they are Oceanis owners.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Scotchmist Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 September 2017 at 12:06
We have the 3 cabin layout (Dehler 38). Frequently we have 5 on board to sleep (1 per cabin and 2 in the saloon). Locker space is OK for warps, fenders and the like but cant realistically accommodate a spinny or deflated dingy, so they are stored on an isolation mat in the smaller rear cabin. That still leaves room for 1 to sleep in there. In the event that that cabin needs to sleep 2, the spinny and dingy can easily be stored in the cabin overnight.

It works for us.
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Hi sounds like we are in the minority, we went for the 2 cabin version, like the larger galley which also makes the cabin feel considerably larger, but particularly like the extra storage and shelving and the fact that it is accessible from the cockpit, so not everything needs to be dragged through the cabin. 
Plenty of room for fenders, code 0, gennaker, rolled up dinghy, dive gear etc.
Enjoy the decision making process!
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