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    Posted: 07 January 2024 at 21:09
Not impressed by the build quality of my 301. A mooring cleat has just pulled out through thin fibreglass. No strengthening, no backing plate, zilch. Angry
2 photos attached (hopefully - this forum's UI is dreadful).

Has anyone else had cleat issues? Or any recommendations?

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Normally theses things are drilled, tapped and fastened thru the glass to the backing plate which is embedded.  My guessÖthe laminators had a bad day and forgot that plate. Later in the build, they drilled and tapped the fiberglass only and didnít notice! Obviously a thorough inspection on all deck fittings that you can get to. Iíve heard this happen before. Once on a main sheet block which can cause injury if one is in the way.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Arcadia Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2024 at 00:48
Wow. Thatís worst then I thought. Looks like a different method than they use now. Itís thru bolted with nuts and washer. That would work if only the glass werenít so thin. If the rest of the deck is that thin then youíll have other problems waiting for you.  If you have access to the space underneath, then repair and reinforcement will be tedious but can be done.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mjo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2024 at 08:29
Not sure, if they had just a bad day. I discovered several issues like that on my 301:

1. genoa rail
Suddenly once a part of my genoa rail broke and 30 cm of the rail and the silder was dangeling at the sheet. The rail was bolted though the glass, fixed with this little washers and a nut. In the area, where the rail broke, the glass was laminated a bit thicker, so the screws had been to short, so there was no washer an no nut. Censored
Issue on both sides.

2. mast support
last winter I opended the lining around the mast support to re-organize the cables. 2 of 4 nuts which are supporting the mast plate got loose. They had not been secured.


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Hi Richard - I've been similarly underwhelmed. The basic design appears sound with the really important stuff - keel and chainplates - being strongly fixed.  However, the quality of the fitting of some deck gear was poor to the point of negligent, although many other items were done well.  As part of a refit last year I had the shipwright inspect and rebed where necessary every single stanchion and cleat base and every single item of deck gear that could be accessed including the toerail fixings.  Most were OK but some were not; the pulpit and pushpit fixings were underdesigned so had beefed-up backing plates added.  Given your experience with that cleat, I'd strongly recommend you do similar even if it means cutting into linings to access the sites.  A cheap endoscope might help in the first instance if you've the time to do the work yourself.

Even after that refit, however, I still spread the loads on the cleats at anchor by using a twin bridle and passing the lines through the forecleats and back to the midships ones whatever the forecast.  

The problems are far from unique to Hanse, however.  I've lost count of the number of times I've given other owners a hand with some frighteningly shoddy workmanship on BeniBavJeans - and even a Rassy which I used to sail.  


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Jojo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2024 at 10:53
First I feel sorry for you 
Youíre in for a rather large repair costly or time consuming 

It look like the fibreglass and gelcote was under a lot of stress before the failure 
Itís a lot cracking and delaminating in to the deck 
The torail has 2 screws that look as they come out a mm in your picture 
My guess is that this was a ongoing problem that weakens the laminate from over stressed mooring 
Those distanceblock donít make it better as they make the force stronger to the laminate 
A plate will spread the load better but a larger mooring damper will also help those stormy days 

Take this to your insurance and see what you can get 

Best wishes and regards jonas
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Thatís awful, which cleat was it? 
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The rear starboard one
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