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    Posted: 16 March 2019 at 19:44
Hi Everyone
 
I will shortly be taking delivery of a 418 and I note that there are some threads on here about upgrading the anchor and chain/windlass. My initial reaction was to agree, the ground tackle does look a little on the light side.
 
What experience do 415/418 owners have with the std 8mm chain and 16kg(?) Delta. Any problems with holding, she has quite a lot of windage.
 
I checked the Lewmar size chart, and to be fair the 16kg married to 8mm chain seems to fit their recommendations for the size of the 415/418
 
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Hi Matt,
I'm just about to do the same, as in take delivery of a 418.  She launches tomorrow but still needs a couple of weeks more commissioning.

I too think the Lewmar anchor supplied looks a little light on.  However, most of our sailing to date on prior boats, has been picking up moorings and anchoring has been minimal.  Next year we will be doing more cruising so make consider an upgrade then.

Breathe, a 418 from 12 months ago, is about to head north for a couple of months, and I know her skipper was just going through an exercise of upgrading his anchor.  I think he was going to a Manson and to use the standard anchor as his second.

From what I have researched, I think I would be going to an Aussie made Exell, if I am to upgrade next year.

I will be interested in Gordon's (from Breathe) research.
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Don't you just hate spellcheckers?  ďExcelĒ anchors.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2019 at 19:51
Thanks - I intend doing a fair bit of anchoring (I always sleep better on the hook than in Marinas!)
 
I'm 19 days away from getting my hands on her and the excitement is building. Our test sail was in very light winds - I can't wait to get her out in the rough stuff. She is currently having the bowthruster retro-fitted. She is due to be launched on the 4th. Good luck - I hope your launch went well.
 
 
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Iím sure if Hanse say its ok then itís ok, but Iíve struggled with the delta a few times and so slept with one eye on the GPS.  I fitted a 20kg Rocna with 50m x 8mm which sits on the bow roller of a 385 pretty well, just a slight adjustment to the retaining pin with a flat file. Weíre much happier at anchor now, digs in and re-sets without fail, also brakes out clean when straight pull from above. I just see it as an upgrade and worthy investment in sleep and a happy ship. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote hawkeye Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 March 2019 at 23:29
My experience is that the Delta is poor when the yacht yaws from side to side as the 370 tends to do. I put on a 20kg Rocna which i have found to be excellent. May be oversize, but then again, who says size doesn't matter.
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Hi all,
We struggled with the Delta, mainly with difficulty in getting the anchor to set. There are lots of other posts about problems with the Delta, so it is not only us.

On our 418 We replaced the Delta with a Manson supreme and the 30 m of chain with 50m of 8mm chain. 
We looked mainly at the Manson and Rocna. The shank on the Manson is a bit shorter than the Rocna and we felt that would fit a bit better. I am securing the Manson with rope, not as tidy as the pin which may well work for the Rocna. We are on the boat tomorrow and I will get a couple of photos.

We have only used the Manson in light breezes, but when digging in it stops the boat with a very reassuring jolt, so all good so far.


Note that the locker is full with 50m of chain, you might fit a bit more, but not much. We currently have about 15m of rope under the chain, I am going to lift that and hang on the locker sides to get a bit more space.

Matt and Muriel, enjoy the delivery process. We are very happy with Breathe. Our plan for year is to spend around 6 months living on her, should be wonderful.
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8mm chain is fine no need to size this however delta anchor should be changed any of the "new generation" anchors is much better choice e.g:

Rocna | Manson Supreme | Sarca Excell | Ultra 

I have 21kg Ultra as this anchor has no roll bar on the top and interferes less with code 0 and gennaker, this is on 30m 8mm chain and 100m 14mm warp and this combination works extremely well.
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Matt,

If you would like to see the Rocna 20kg on the bow of my boat, she is currently moored at Mercury Marina, Hamble.  Iím guessing you are relatively local going by your profile. Message me and Iíll give you exact location.

Adrian
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18 March 2019 at 20:10
Thanks everyone! Really helpful responses. Interesting about the poor feedback with the Delta. My current 31' boat has a 10kg Delta which has proven excellent and only dragged once, when to be fair I didn't have sufficient scope out. Mr Bluesky, would like to see the anchor arrangement you have, that would be helpful too, and you are right I'm only down the road from you.
 
I think step one will be to upgrade to 50 metres of chain and then see how I get on this season with the Delta. Does anyone know if the extra length of chain can be joined or will I have to buy a complete new length?
 
Cheers
 
Matt 
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