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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Raptor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 December 2010 at 23:54
Stian,

Understand that a First 31.7 competed some years ago. Should not be that different from a Hanse 320 (both class A boats). Assume some modifications have to be done.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CharlesP Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 December 2010 at 00:48
You buy a yacht with "A" classification for crossing oceans. But when you want to enter a race crossing the North Sea you find that your "A" classification is not good enough. I think it is lamentable that Hanse, and other manufacturers, do not offer a yacht which satisfies these requirements.

The yachts are only really built for marina to marina coastal sailing; perhaps this is what most purchasers buy a yacht for. If you want to race or cross an ocean, you have to upgrade it.

It is disappointing that Hanse do not offer an extra cost package which satisfies race requirements for crossing the North Sea. These requirements, some of which are listed by Shaukaas, should be regarded as essential safety items for extended cruising which includes night passages.

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During a class for get my "ISAF approved safety training certificate" last spring, we discussed these any many other items on the "ISAF" list.

I do think that the 320's easily passes the CE A certification, but the ISAF OSR requirements are probably way more strict. And when racing, you do not turn the bow back to the marina when the forecast is bad - you're supposed to be prepared for almost "anything." And if you wanna win the race....

The budget for all that safety equipment is probably enough to keep most cruisers/sunday sailors on a safe distance from signing up for the start anyways.

What are the demands for the ARC?
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Originally posted by CharlesP CharlesP wrote:


It is disappointing that Hanse do not offer an extra cost package which satisfies race requirements for crossing the North Sea. These requirements, some of which are listed by Shaukaas, should be regarded as essential safety items for extended cruising which includes night passages.
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I find it more disappointing that you are not even able to fit a 105%'er to the forestay, without spending hours of customization and a number of self-made constructions on a "brand new" yacht... to be able to use a "real" jib...

I mean, the winches where in place from the yard - the genoa tracks as well. Why didn't anyone of them razor-sharp boatbuilders pull a rope through it, to verify the foolishness? Angry

But, still, I find it dubiously that the companionway hatch arrangement is too weak to be approved by ISAF's cat 2 regulations...


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gertha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 December 2010 at 22:07
For ARC you can find conditions of entry http://www.worldcruising.com/arc/safety.aspxy
There is no great expense , the liferaft and satphone can be hired if budget is tight.
I am curiouse to know what is not on a new hanse that you require for an overnight passage and also for ISAF cat2 ?
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Originally posted by gertha gertha wrote:

The ARC people will be happy with a 320 and the small boats have far more fun than all the monster gas guzlers that dominate the event.
Simon
 
Do you think the 320 can handle the waves safely if there will be strong winds?
I donīt know how big the waves can be out there but i have read from other who have done the ARC that they had waves like 5-7 meters.
 
For each day my interest for the ARC gets bigger and bigger.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gertha Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 July 2011 at 19:21
I can only speak from my own experience in 2007.
The winds that year were very high , we had 3 days of 30/40 knot wind with associated sea.
In that year there were boats of less than 32 ft and not as sea worthy as a 320, they all arived in St.Lucia.
Whilst people may have had a wave of 7 meters I would be suprised, however we are talking long ocean swell, not short waves, the effect is different.
Also we are talking down wind sailing, sailing / surfing at 7/9 knots in 35 knots of wind , you only have 25 knots of wind on the boat, your boat will be fine; as I have said before a good down wind set up is what is required.
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Hi,
I can agree with gertha. I saled in 2010 the 25th ARC. It was a great experience for me. We saled with an Oyster 54 but from my point of view its first of all a question of the experience of the crew.
The waves on the ocean have a long distance between and that is a lot different to the baltic or mediterian waves!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Henrik84 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 July 2011 at 21:33
Hi Gertha and Sailkoop.

Do you have any sort of checklist for the ARC? what to bring and so on?
If you have i would be happy if you could mail it to me.

Or if you know where to find one.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote graemefromdownu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 July 2011 at 00:27
I too would be interested in a detailed checklist as set out for boats in the ARC.  Email would be fine via PM.
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