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    Posted: 23 February 2021 at 08:34
I plan to change my Delta (16 kg) for a UltraMarine(21 kg)
but I don't know the power of my winglass.....
and if it will be power sufficient to handle.
somebody know ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mark_J1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27 February 2021 at 22:31
I swapped my 16kg delta for a 20kg Mantus. Lewmar windlass copes just fine. From memory itís a 1000w and is the standard one from Hanse (on a 2005 build). 

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The anchor winch is a Lewmar Pro 1000, fuse 70A, 900W.
https://www.myhanse.com/uploads/729/Ankerspil-pro.pdf
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Roger: echoing Mark's comment, I anchor frequently and the windlass has handled my 20kg Rocna easily.  Although there have been a couple of slippages, these were due to the deeper penetration of the modern anchor design and not its weight; no windlass should be expected to pull an anchor free of a resisting seabed.  Appropriate technique always solved the problem, however; the simplest being just to tighten the cable until its straight up and down, take the load off the windlass then wait for a minute while the boats natural motion works the anchor loose by breaking the suction.  Once the anchor was free the windlass invariably coped without effort

Kjeld: what a helpful post. I was planning to do some deep maintenance on mine as soon as I can get back onboard and was going to research the manual myself. Your timing was perfect - many thanks!

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I have 21kg ultra and 60m chain (8mm) on the original Lewmar windlasss on my 400 with no issues.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ian Coverdale Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28 February 2021 at 21:24
Great series of videos on YouTube where a fanatic has tested almost every anchor available. Interesting how poorly some of the premium priced anchors perform!


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Having used old school claw, plough and Kedge anchors and then new generation Manson Supreme, Rocna, Excell and now Ultra i would take any of the new generation anchors any day over the old school designs, all have considerably better performance irrelevant of brand/type.

Arguing over which new generation is better than the other is splitting hairs.
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Suggest you watch this video https://youtu.be/smgWTtFuk3U

This guy's seems very thorough to me; he is not a manufacture, agent or salesman. He just tests anchors.

His two main tests are a straight pull which is common, followed by a 180-degree veering test which is more realistic of real-world events at anchor. This is where some of the premium anchors perform poorly. If I had just spent a small fortune on some of these products, I'd been feeling a bit sick!!

The Hanse standard fit Lewmar Delta has a mixed review following a poor performance on a pebbley seabed. Otherwise it was comparable to the top performers which gave me a warmer feeling. We'd been considering ditching the 20kg Delta for a while, not because of poor personnal experiences but having been told many times they are rubbish!

I wonder how reputation for the 'premium' anchors has been bolstered by popular YouTube sailing channels biging up product they've been gifted for free. I think the same happens with inflatable dinghies BTW Wink


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote StavrosNZ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 March 2021 at 02:09
I have watched S V Panope tests, doesn't change my view in my own experience.
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Concur with Stephen; while the 'Panope' series are interesting and all very well, they often don't take into proper account the plethora of factors that affect anchoring.  While appreciating the efforts made in testing, I don't think the author is any more or less independent than any other sailing journalist as such YouTubers gain via the numbers of hits and subscribers. 

I've used many types of anchors in different types of vessel over the years from the Rocna to actual rocks - and sometimes unintentionally both at the same time!  There's no 'perfect' anchor for all conditions and sea-beds and many cruisers carry at least 2 different types.  The bower should be the best compromise that suits your cruising grounds - but it is only as good as the rest of your system and your anchoring technique.  Concentration solely on anchor type or weight will eventually see you gain what is called 'experience'.  I gained faith in my Rocna after riding out gales with 45kts+ gusts, although I'd been meticulous with other preparations including reducing windage, an often-neglected factor.  However, I think that any other type of 'new-gen' design would have performed as well.

I was fortunate enough to meet up with Dara & Alex Blackwell who literally 'wrote the book' on anchors and anchoring technique.  Although it could be argued that they're no more or less independent than Panope I'd strongly recommend their book 'Happy Hooking - the art of anchoring'.  If you have 'Kindle Unlimited' its free Big smile      
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