Convert 2 bow cabins into master cabin

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   Hi,
I'm looking to tear out the wall and a couple of frames that divide the 2 cabins up front as I have the 445 charter version. I contacted Hanse to make sure taking them out won't cause any structural problems but they don't seem to answer questions (I have sent qs on 2 othet occasions)
My understanding is that the charter vs owner versions are built the same but frames, doors and walls are added to the charter one.
Has anyone done this or has any input on the project?
I believe a crowbar and a power-saw will get the job done...

thx,
A

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tdh001 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Sub Lieutenant Joined: 19 August 2017 Location: around Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote tdh001 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Convert 2 bow cabins into master cabin Posted: 05 September 2018 at 23:34
	Hi, I'm looking to tear out the wall and a couple of frames that divide the 2 cabins up front as I have the 445 charter version. I contacted Hanse to make sure taking them out won't cause any structural problems but they don't seem to answer questions (I have sent qs on 2 othet occasions) My understanding is that the charter vs owner versions are built the same but frames, doors and walls are added to the charter one. Has anyone done this or has any input on the project? I believe a crowbar and a power-saw will get the job done... thx, A
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Carlosailfan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 06 March 2014 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 193	Post Options Post Reply Quote Carlosailfan Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 September 2018 at 09:08
	Hello, I own a 385, 2 cabin version and played also with the same idea to put in the third cabin. all fixing points are in so it must be feasible. The only thing is, if you look to the production process, the walls and structures are build up before the deck is put in place and almost all structural panels are " squeezed " between the deck and the hull. There are many ways of doing this and where creativity starts beautiful things are created. For the moment i did not start and i strongly believe this will not affect the stiffness and structure of your boat if you do this in a professional way. If you really go for it i would like to receive some pictures to follow the process. Good luck !
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tdh001 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Sub Lieutenant Joined: 19 August 2017 Location: around Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote tdh001 Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 03 October 2018 at 22:07
	Adding a wall should not cause any structural problems. My problem is removing them. They are installed very solidly Still haven’t found a good answer to my question.
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iemand Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 13 February 2004 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 1074	Post Options Post Reply Quote iemand Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 October 2018 at 06:42
	I'm convinced that you just take out the walls and doors and that's it. The structure will definitely be the same so the rest is just woodworking on a nice looking bed and covering some connection from the old layout. That's it. I wouldn't bother at all! Good luck and enjoy your new roomy cabin! BR Thomas
	Hanse 312 MJ 2004 - Hanse 370e MJ 2007

Carlosailfan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 06 March 2014 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 193	Post Options Post Reply Quote Carlosailfan Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 October 2018 at 06:58
	Removing without cutting it in pieces will be impossible, in my opinion, seen the original panels are squeezed between the hull and the deck. They are in place before the hull is closed. If you find another way i would like to learn seen i looked to the future installation in our Hanse and no way to take the old out without cutting it in at least 2 pieces. Good luck !
	Best regards /C

Carlosailfan Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Captain Joined: 06 March 2014 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 193	Post Options Post Reply Quote Carlosailfan Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 October 2018 at 10:18

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iemand Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 13 February 2004 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 1074	Post Options Post Reply Quote iemand Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 04 October 2018 at 16:07
	You are right. It will not be possible to take them out in one piece. Also the door openings and the companionway doesn't allow more.
	Hanse 312 MJ 2004 - Hanse 370e MJ 2007

Dogscout Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Commander Joined: 10 July 2017 Location: Wandering About Status: Offline Points: 132	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dogscout Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 October 2018 at 14:07
	Hello tdh; I would love to see pictures of what you find and to read a description of it. I have been considering the purchase of a 445 and will do the same thing if I start with a 4 cabin version.
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tdh001 Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Sub Lieutenant Joined: 19 August 2017 Location: around Status: Offline Points: 13	Post Options Post Reply Quote tdh001 Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 08 February 2019 at 13:32
	Well, I haven’t been able to get an answer from Hanse here in the US or by contacting Hanse in Germany via their social network site. So I just sent an email to the head of after sales who will hopefully provide me with at least a contact to answer this question. I doubt the partition and door frames are strictly necessary for the structural integrity of the bow section but I need to be certain prior to getting the crowbar out. I will post the answer as well as before, during and after pics. In the meantime gutting the panels and door out to have them redone in a lighter color.
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iemand Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Admiral Joined: 13 February 2004 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 1074	Post Options Post Reply Quote iemand Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 February 2019 at 19:06
	If you measure the thickness of the bulkhead you should be able to see that it is quite thin (I think). Maybe less then 20mm. That can't be a structural part. BR Thomas
	Hanse 312 MJ 2004 - Hanse 370e MJ 2007



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