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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 February 2024 at 12:01
I have Hanse 400 year 2008 since 8 years Single steering wheel. 
Love the selftacking jib plus furling code zero  sailing with my wife. 
When sailing distance or evening regattas with crew we fly spinnaker, code zero and furling genakker depending on wind angles.  Carbon sails
T keel. 
She steers with two fingers. No need to reef up to 12 m/sek.
my Biggest problem ever is the
SD50 cone clutch which needed replacement after only 1200 engine hours 
Cost usd 5500. Engine needs to be moved , cooling system dismounted ans well as exhaust.. this you should check very carefully before purchase.
One of our parameters when purchase what the Schrouds  as you mention. 
Easy walk on the boat was a must for us - didn’t have that on our previous boats.
If you wish confirmation of solidness you should look at the keel bolts 
On 400 and compare with jeanneau - Bavaria etc. they are convincing.
So is the boat. We li love it and will keep for years to come.

My only regret is that I have 400 and not 400e

Don’t know h415.

Good luck.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ratbasher Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 February 2024 at 13:23
Largely agree with Gaga but I'm surprised at the need to move the engine.  Before I had the upgrade done (plenty of info on this site) thus eliminating the major issue with the SD50 saildrive, I had to have the clutch removed 3 times for lapping; removal was quite straightforward.  Cost of the upgrade parts was $650 direct from Florida two years ago, while clutch removal and lapping cost £400 the year before.  I think Gaga must have been particularly unlucky as the service life of the clutch is given as 2000 hours by Yanmar.  'I'm hopeful' that the upgrade kit will extend that - but I'll find out in about another 600 hours of use....
H400 (2008) 'Wight Leopard' now hibernating Gosport UK until April
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote H8jer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 February 2024 at 06:52
Originally posted by Matt1 Matt1 wrote:

Personally not a fan of T keels so don’t see the lack of that as a disadvantage. 

Hi 
I agree on that statement.
Last Season a friend of mine, with his B42 with T-keel, got entangled in some fishing equipment at night when He had sails up. It took him some time to get off again.
So for cruising I would prefer a L-Shaped keel.
This is also discussed in this paper about keel-designs.:
https://publications.lib.chalmers.se/records/fulltext/148387.pdf
Intended Yacht type and hull: for an ocean crossing yacht a T-bulbed keel might be
unpractical due to the risk of nets and lines getting stuck whereas a racing yacht needs a Tkeel for the required righting arm


Edited by H8jer - 05 February 2024 at 06:58
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rock Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 February 2024 at 10:28
Interesting thesis !
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Hi,
I have to agree with Gaga, We changed the sd50 in a sd60 and no problems at all.
I love the 400.
Gerard
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Captain Cook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 February 2024 at 20:44
A danish couple in a non-Hanse yacht, "Petra" lost the keel in the Atlantic Ocean some years ago. I had considered this brand before I bought my H400, but one of the items that turned me to a Hanse was the difference in the size of the keel bolts.
This photo is of the keel bolts of my H400:
Freya H400 #27 (2006), 40HP 3JH4E, 2-cabin, 3-blade Flexofold, Aries LiftUp Windvane, Exturn 300, Jefa DD1,Simrad NX40,Icom M603(VHF)+M802(SSB)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Gaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 February 2024 at 22:08
Exactly what i ment. Rosksolid

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jeb Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11 February 2024 at 11:25
As many wrote the 400 should be compared with the Dehler segment while the 415 has more focus on comfort (as Bavaria’s). I have a 2006 400e and for my usecase (coastal sailing in the Baltic) it’s perfect. I have swapped the selftacker for a 107% and for me this is a perfect compromise. I have main track in the cockpit and “German sheeting”. 
Sd50 is an issue but after upgrading with the kit from Florida I have no issues. The only structural thing to watch out for (except groundings) is the GRP/gel coat layer outside the epoxi that on some boats has separated.
Jesper
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