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    Posted: 23 August 2018 at 18:43
I plan to sail from the Canary Islands to the Caribbean in February 2019 and am seeking some advice on sails. I have a North Sails ACL65 fully battened mainsail and a roller reefing self tacking genoa, both of which came with the purchase in 2017. I have recently purchased a tri-radial A2 Cruising Asymmetrical spinnaker (sail area 160m2) with ATN snuffer from Quantum and have hoisted just once to test. The recommendation for this sail is 5 to 20 knots true. My concern is sailing at night when I don't want to have the spinnaker up. I also don't have a spinnaker pole. I did the 2017 ARC with friends on their Catana 47 and we sailed with a small spinnaker at night (no pole needed of course).
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I'll be doing the ARC 2018.  We won't have our gennaker up at night.  Small crew and too risky for my taste.  

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote sailkoop Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 August 2018 at 11:15
Hi Ian,
look for a Code Zero on Furler. This is an good alternativ, even by higher Windspeed. Talk with a Sailmaker that you would like to use it downwind up to 30kn Wind. On the other side you'll have a good Sail for Reaching and upwind courses in lighter Wind! 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Persse Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 August 2018 at 06:04
Where we live we cruise north and south along the coast and that is also the direction of the winds, so downwind sailing is a big part of our sailing.
I just used the self tacker with it sheeted outboard for a long time but always was dissatisfied with it. I had intended to get an asymmetric but took a long time to get the bow reinforcement done that I wanted and two to one halyard set up to take a gennaker or code zero.
As it turned out I got an Elvstrom Blue Water Runner. This has turned out to be absolutely perfect for my needs so far. Not for racing, though I have put it up in a race and being astonished by the extra power. Sailing dead downwind is a pleasure and a wonderful experience after the hassles of the self tacker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip5oW4TZz4Q

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQHf66ype8o

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Hi there, we have sailed our 445 across the Pacific and Atlantic. For downwind I used a 105 Genoa with a Selden Whisper pole to pole out the headsail and run the boat in a gull wing setup.(Use midship blocks to set up outboard sheeting, this acts as a down haul) You have to prevent the Main out to the Leeward side. This you can carry anywhere from 12-25 knots comfortably. Ive had it set up in 30 knots but you have to watch what you are doing! We had a Gennaker for light winds during the day,Squalls are frequent at night in the Atlantic so don't go flying a Gennaker unless you have able crew up on watch. 
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Thanks for the information. I am now in Arrecife and a Rigger is coming tomorrow to give me an assessment.
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We crossed form Uk to NZ in 2016/7 
Hardly used our Genaker - anything over 15Knots and the jib and main were good enough 
Have a third reef in main and whisper pole for the jib - worked well in 30+ squalls etc
Also have a boom brake.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote GreyGoose Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 October 2018 at 19:45
We use a Genaker for light winds (up to 20kts) and a Blue Water Runner for dead down wind up to 25kts.

BWR is astonishing. Great speed, boat does 8-9kts in 15-20kts breeze but watch the top of the halyard. The constant rolling causes chaffing. We had to lower the sail every 10-12 hours, cut and remake the halyard. Leaving for longer can cause the halyard to part, as we found mid atlantic!

Also if using the BWR watch the wind speed, it becomes very difficult to furl using the continuous furlex in winds of 25kts plus.
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Hi Phil,

I was reading through various posts trying to gather information on best set up for down wind sailing when I came across your message.
I have a 415 and I am sailing her across the Atlantic in November.
I was wondering how you had the Elvstrøm BWR set up.
Does it require poles.
Is free flying or can it be run up on the furler gear.
Are you able to reduce its size if sailing and the wind picks up?

I would be interested to hear your thoughts 

Martin
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