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    Posted: 11 October 2019 at 18:55
Hi; we're just finishing up our second year of sailing a 2008 Hanse 350. She's a great boat for Lake Ontario, but we've had her out on a few passages with winds over 25-30 knots, and with only the 2 slab reefs available, we've found her considerably overpowered unless we drop the main altogether. Our sails are very traditional dacron cruising sails by North.

We've found that the tall, narrow jib does not set well on most points of sail if partly furled.

Does anyone have experience with making provisions for a third reef, and / or with some kind of staysail or storm jib arrangement? 

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I had North Sails put a 3rd reef in my main (Norlam 3D), at a reasonable price.
For now I only use 2nd and 3rd reef, but if you want a solution with all 3 reefs, look here:
The self tacking jib will never be good if partly furled, it is not meant to be.
I have a Norlam 140% roll/reef genua, which  has a reasonable performance when partly furled, but this sail is sewn with an inlay of foam along the forestay. This sail is built for partly furling.
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Hi Phil,

We have a Hanse 325 and we also had a 3rd reef fitted but with only three pulleys in the boom we modified the boom end plate to fix the out haul.  We then bring all three reefing lines back to the cockpit.
Have a look at the original post and pics here.


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An article I wrote for the Practical Boat Owner magazine published some months ag,o which may be of use. The knot has now been replaced with a large plastic stopper, but I do not have a picture.
The system can also be used in the event of failure of one of the other reef lines.

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When I am sailing I have a short strop permanently fitted to the spinnaker ring on the mast. When visiting crew ask what it is for I tell them that it is for an emergency hand hold when at the mast in case a large wave causes the boat to roll unexpectedly & catches them out Picture A

That is until we are out of sight of land. Then I tell them the real reason I have it!!

As most of my sailing is on my own I try to go on deck as little as possible: so I have single line reefing. Now I do not wish to get into the debate about this system – it works for me!!. The problem is that whilst it is great for the first & second reefs it needs lines permanently rigged up the leech & the luff of the sail. These have to be gathered in every time the sail is dropped. I can deal with the first two sets of reel lines OK but they would be so long for the third reef that they would be a serious hassle. Furthermore I only have to go down to third reef at the most once a year but hoist & drop the sail dozens of times.

Single line reefing is good but I wanted a bullet proof method of applying the third reef, plus a back up if a reef line were to break. Some single line systems have an array of blocks inside the boom & if these ever failed at sea the chances of repair would be limited.

My solution was to have a separate line rigged through the boom to the blue line shown in picture B which just sits in the lazy cover until required. This blue line goes under the boom & the end not hooked to the red & white line has a large knot. This is to stop it slipping out through the slot in the cover. If one does not have enough pullies in the boom for the extra line one can always swop to the clew outhaul provided it has a snap shackle & is long enough to lead back to a winch on the deck where a strong pull needs to be applied

To reef I drop the boom I head into wind (start the engine for a few minutes if needs be) I release the topping lift & halyard (I know from experience how much to let off) I go forward & hook the strop to the sail spectacles & under the spinnaker ring as in picture B. This keeps the sail down enough to prevent it crushing the sliders below & stops the luff pulling aft away from the mast. Letting the topping lift off allows the boom to drop into the cockpit so I can safely rig the blue strop as shown in pictures D & E. In the picture it is not very tight but when the sail flogs a little it will tighten a lot more pulling the clew out & down to give a nice flat sail or I can leave a fuller shape if I so wish. (It was just done lightly in a marina for the pictures.)

I then hoist the halyard, bear away & stop the engine.







Edited by samuel - 12 October 2019 at 07:46
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