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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote S&J Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 February 2021 at 23:56
Originally posted by andrewlambert andrewlambert wrote:

hexagon I recommend a book called Heavy Weather Sailing by Peter Bruce 
Independent objective analysis 
I have this book on board and read the odd chapter when I want to scare myself.
But bear in mind the book is significantly older than Hanse as s company!


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Well I’m not sure about the “without the model and the cool dude” comment ;))

There’s another one here from the previous (1st) season


Like (S&J) I intend to take my 418 across the pond and hopefully beyond. There is just the minor matter of needing to retire first :(

I went across on a 43’ Beneteau Oceanis many years ago, encountering a 4 day gale of Finistere. The boat was fine but the 418 would have been better!

In terms of the life raft I use the under cockpit seat locker as my dedicated safety locker with life raft, emergency steering and grab bags


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hexagon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24 February 2021 at 20:25
Thanks for your comments regarding my enquiry about the suitability of a Hanse 418 for long-distance cruising. Perhaps I should have been a little clearer. I am well aware of the divide in opinion highlighted by S&J, and I am firmly a supporter of "light and fast" boats for cruising - I love sailing a responsive and fast boat and so feel that if I am spending my life aboard and sailing, then that is fundamental. It was more that I can't help comparing with other fast cruisers, and some of them seem to be a little more focused on bluewater and long-term capabilities, however they are probably out of my price range so there goes that! 

Matt, that was really helpful to me to see that the cockpit locker can serve that purpose of handling the safety gear. Maybe it's a simplistic question, but what about fenders and mooring lines - where do you fit them in?

I have spent too much time dredging through the Hanse website looking for information instead of looking here (hence my comment on the models - always looking totally relaxed when I am looking for a picture of some detail like a cockpit locker). So it was great to see your video, Matt. 

I was clearly set back quite a bit when, as I mentioned earlier, a Hanse dealer said to me that the boat was designed to be a coastal cruiser, not for ocean-crossings. I suppose even ex-World champions can get out of touch! I think that dealership has a certain clientele which does not include the long hauls.  Thanks also for the mention of someone's friend who sailed from Europe to Australia - good to hear those stories. I have regained my faith!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25 February 2021 at 09:20
Thanks for the comments about the video. I'd like to hope, being a recent convert to the Hanse brand, that I'm still pretty objective and balanced but in reality I could write page after page about how impressed I am with my 418, and could say how the crew of an XC45 I was alongside (a boat I previously lusted after!) told me it was twitchy as hell, a real handful and that I was better off with the Hanse (which he had also sailed). It's the handling under sail that impresses me and certainly a boat I will be very confident taking offshore or ocean sailing. You will also note they are about a ton heavier than the equivalent Beneteau / Jeanneau. That weight mainly being in the keel and hull I suspect. The 418 is also rated A10 whereas the Jeanneau / Beneteau was an A8 if my memory serves me correctly. No big difference but probably points to increased stability. The GZ curve is ok

I do know what you mean about the brokers though. I was talking with Bavaria before choosing the Hanse and in answer to "how does the boat sail?" he replied "it's a Bavaria, if you want to tweak lines its not for you"!!  I think where Hanse are orientated around easy sailing it's easy to fall into the trap of thinking they are aimed at the less experienced owner but there's no doubt they are capable of significant passages. Below is my favourite Hanse video because it shows the reality of a young / small family taking a 458(5?) on a passage in the Atlantic.  


If you search on Youtube for "Halcyon yacht deliveries" they upload quite a few videos of delivery trips in Hanses; including a 325 from UK to Canaries and several ocean passages.

I carry 10 fenders. 2 go in the anchor locker (for convenience), the other 8 go in the port lazarette (with a bit of organising). Under the starboard lazarette I keep a hose, bucket, brush, inflatable dinghy, oars, lines and genneker sheets etc etc 


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Adam hello,

I'm new in the Forum. Last year we bought a brand new Hanse 418 with the layout you're going to have. 
Although we are quite happy with the boat, we faced a number of defects, some of which could lead to major problems. 
1. One of the service battery clamps was not fixed properly that lead to cable overheating which in its turn could result in fire. So I had to cut the bolt off and replace it.
2. The Microwave was not fixed. They just forgot to fix it with the screws. So during the transportation it fell out. Thank God nothing was broken.
3. The lid of the additional water tank was leaking. We had to use Sikaflex to seal it. 
4. The water pump of the AC drain container was not powered. They just forgot to connect it. So it lead to leaking water under the flooring. So pull the cabler and connect it. It was really hard.
5. One of the water level sensors in water tank was not connected to the electrical panel. We could not find the way to connect it properly, so now the water tank is indicated on the screen as the additional fuel tank which I don't have at all. 
6. A hose in the bow head going under the floor has smaller diameter than the hole in the floor. When taking a shower a great deal of water went under the flooring. We had to seal it with Sikaflex. 
7. The door of the main head has a metal bar keeping the drop from going outside. It was missing in the bow head. So the water went to the master cabin when taking shower.
8. B&G chartplotter was not fixed properly. The internal bolts were loose. Could lead to structural failure. 9. The air outlet hose of the main water tank in master cabin was drilled through by the screw and under pressure the water was flowing under the floor. Replaced the hose.
10. The water tank switcher got broken right after the very first switching because the wall mounting is very weak. 
11. The pressure valve of the water heater was leaking. So we had to mount the drain pipe and lead it to the AC drain container.
12. The wrong AC grills in the master cabin resulted in drain water on the wall. So we had to insulate some part of AC with the insulation material.
13. An openable side hatch is leaking. We are going to replace it with the thicker one.

It was not very difficult to fix all the problems described, but it was extremely difficult to find all those defects especially those causing leakage. During 3 months we were constantly having water under the flooring and I had to spend hour to pump it out. The boat inside was fully taken apart at least twice to write off the causes of leakage. 

Anyway I have lots of information, videos and pictures and if required send it. My e-mail is nickgavrish@gmail.com or in WhatsApp (007 903 969 64 06)
We also made great deal of interesting customisation in situ. The works were done by two service companies in Greifswald: Wendel&Rados and Yachtwerft. They did a flawless job. 




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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Matt1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 March 2021 at 19:58
Sorry to hear that Gelato. Sounds like you have been very unlucky. My 418 had less than a handful of issues, all minor and all sorted by the dealer. 
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Matt hello,

It’s ok. Everything past. It was a good family project to accomplish. Now we are quite happy. The boat is huge for it’s size and is amazing at sailing. I would recommend Adam to choose classic main sail full battened and a folding propeller. 
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Pleased you got it sorted and a big +1 for the folding prop and conventional mainsail ;-)

Can't wait to get back out on my 418...4 weeks to relaunch :-)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Pennine star Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 March 2021 at 10:08
Hi Nick

Nice to meet you and very kind of you to pass on your experience for others to benefit  from 

We are quite a way away from placing an order , my friend still needs to sell his current boat, but should we go down this route , which I hope we do, then I will certainly drop you a note to help advise  me if that’s ok 

Thanks again

Adam 


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