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ok this helps..would normally get costs from sailmakers but it's late friday...and need info for the wekend

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Hi All

i am looking at purchasing a Hanse 411 or 400 and intend on heading offshore, i like the 411 because i understand they are a very strong boat but i have other boaties suggesting i look at the 400 because its newer in design and construction...any thought?

Also, can you tell the build number of any given Hanse by its serial number?, is it simply the last 3 digits of the serial?

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Hi Jules,

I cannot comment on the H400 other than they seem very popular - I see many around and they look like great boats.  I love my H385.

There are two numbers associated with Hanse builds.  The number that most people quote is something like an order number (for a given design).  Mine is 351.  However not all orders result in a build so the build or hull number is usually lower than this and that is what is included in the HIN # for the boat.  My full HIN is DE-HAN 0295 L 415.  So the actual hull number is 295.

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Jules - you ask a tough question. No right answer!   I came down to looking at both a 411 with lots of long passage cruising inventory and a 400e that was 3 years younger but would need 'development' for longer passages. They were literally side-by-side on the hard at Hamble Point as it happens :-) For what it's worth I'm very happy with the choice: boat speed, sea keeping and simple comfort for cruising. The 411 would have traded just a little comfort and speed perhaps. Though it did have 'good to haves' already fitted like an inner forestay/ running back stays. Still yet to be done on my 400 though the rig comes off this year and that will be the time to do it. Ultimately my other half had the casting vote as she fancied the newer and more modern boat. If I'd been in a hurry to cross an ocean for the least money, I might have gone for the 411. As I knew the opportunities for long passages were a couple of years away the 400 was perfect.

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Jules - I forgot to mention. Do a google search "myhanse 411 mast breakage" or similar and pick up on the thread re some issues with a particular brand of mast. Didn't affect all boats and I'd imagine most are now sorted. Though worth a check.
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Originally posted by S&J S&J wrote:

Hi Jules,

I cannot comment on the H400 other than they seem very popular - I see many around and they look like great boats.  I love my H385.

There are two numbers associated with Hanse builds.  The number that most people quote is something like an order number (for a given design).  Mine is 351.  However not all orders result in a build so the build or hull number is usually lower than this and that is what is included in the HIN # for the boat.  My full HIN is DE-HAN 0295 L 415.  So the actual hull number is 295.

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Hi, thanks for your reply, very helpful

The hull number of the one I'm looking at is DE-YZG41133E404, I'm guessing the 404 at the end is the month and year of manufacture, the 411 is the model, that leaves 33E in the middle which doesn't tell me much. 33 cant be the hull/build number if the build year is 2004.

The problematic rear keel bolt on the early models isn't present on this boat but it does have the non-tapered Sparcraft mast that seemed to be an issue for several earlier boats. I am keen on this boat because the general condition is excellent and the price is very good. That leaves me plenty of money to replace standing rigging etc to make the boat offshore safe. I just want to make sure im getting a hull/keel/rig of sufficient vintage that I'm avoiding the issues with the earlier ones.

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Originally posted by Mark_J1 Mark_J1 wrote:

Jules - you ask a tough question. No right answer!   I came down to looking at both a 411 with lots of long passage cruising inventory and a 400e that was 3 years younger but would need 'development' for longer passages. They were literally side-by-side on the hard at Hamble Point as it happens :-) For what it's worth I'm very happy with the choice: boat speed, sea keeping and simple comfort for cruising. The 411 would have traded just a little comfort and speed perhaps. Though it did have 'good to haves' already fitted like an inner forestay/ running back stays. Still yet to be done on my 400 though the rig comes off this year and that will be the time to do it. Ultimately my other half had the casting vote as she fancied the newer and more modern boat. If I'd been in a hurry to cross an ocean for the least money, I might have gone for the 411. As I knew the opportunities for long passages were a couple of years away the 400 was perfect.

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Thanks, Im assuming you researched the model before buying, did you become aware of any inherent issues with a certain year/model of the 400 that made it one to be careful of?. For example i have been told to be wary of the earlier 411's because of the possibility of keel or rig issues, Not to say any early Hanse 411 is a bad boat but every boat model seems to have an optimal year if your looking to purchase, i'm interested to know what that might be for the 400. A friend purchased a Oceanis 393 and was told to aim for boats in the middle of the production timeframe, apparently they skimped a bit towards the end of the production run in the name of build price.

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Interesting discussion, I've joined the forum recently having bought a late 411 (2005, hull #227).

As a marine surveyor, I am familiar with the build construction, having surveyed both types. Not to say either is better than the other, I noted the following differences, perhaps largely due to the post 2006 models being much more geared up for efficient production methods.

  • The 400 uses extensive internal mouldings, tray matrix / liner, whereas the 411 has traditionally laminated in transverse floors around the keel (as a surveyor these are easier to inspect!) and can be seen to be well bonded and secure.
  • The 411 has a composite (cast iron top, lead lower) keel which reduces the cog, but is considerably more expensive to build.
  • The internal finishing including joinery is very different - the 400 more modern, the 411 more traditional, personally I like the deep lacquered finish.
  • The 411 is notably heavier than the 400, this for cruising to me is a benefit, we changed from a (cough) French production type as it was too light to give a smooth ride, and difficult to manoeuvre in breeze due to the lightness and high freeboard.
Overall, my impression is that the 411 was very well and quite heavily built, perhaps too well built to be financially competitive with other brands. We had to add a spacer for the recently installed electric winch for the main halyard as the deck was too thick for the winch spindle! A few leaks and snagging to fix but overall I've been very impressed. Just my observations, now my new boat is finally ready for me to go sailing - which I'm just about to do! 

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Hello,
I`am an old 411 Owner, delivered to us in July 2003. We had 2 mastbrakes in 2004 and 2007 (Sparcraft)
Obviously there was an unspoken mistake in the rig constuctrion. Then we changed the rig compltely to a selden rig, since that we have a beautyful, strong and -for a cruiser- very fast boat.
I think the specification of th mast was improved for later models as sometimes I see a 411 with Sparcrft rig and no problems.
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Hello,

We own a Hanse 411 as well and in 2008 we did an Atlantic crossing with the boat.

The boat behaved perfect. 

We did install a removable cutter/baby stay with runners to give the mast additional support and stop pumping. This is working fine and I still use it when we are sailing at sea.

Please find some earlier discussions on the myhanse site with regards to modifications and advise:



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