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    Posted: 21 August 2021 at 16:34
Hello all :)

Anyone have some experiences to share about 575 upwind sailing? With 20 knots of true wind offshore? With 30 knots? VMG? Slamming?

Do you all have reefable jibs? Other comments about making it comfortable and safe when the wind gets into the 30s (and more)?

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I think there are two different issues here.

1.  Upwind performance
2.  Pounding of a flat bottomed hull

We've been pleased with the upwind performance.  While we've only really had it in the high 20's,  its been rock solid stable and very easy to control.   We often sail with just a reefed mainsail (we have a roller furling boom which makes it very easy) and the full jib in 25-27kt winds.    So far so good.   We have the membrane sails, which have also been great.   Our boat came with the FCL sails, but I had heard bad things about them and requested the upgrade.

On "pounding"...      Its a deep keel, relatively flat bottomed boat so the potential for pounding is there.  That said,   fully loaded it can be 25-30 tons and thats not going to get tossed around easily.   We've been in 6-8' swells and chop and it handles those just fine.    I cannot speak to 10-12 ft seas or storm conditions / force 10.

Hope this helps..



Edited by Black Diamond - 07 September 2021 at 18:47
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Originally posted by Black Diamond Black Diamond wrote:

I think there are two different issues here.

1.  Upwind performance
2.  Pounding of a flat bottomed hull

We've been pleased with the upwind performance.  While we've only really had it in the high 20's,  its been rock solid stable and very easy to control.   We often sail with just a reefed mainsail (we have a roller furling boom which makes it very easy) and the full jib in 25-27kt winds.    So far so good.   We have the membrane sails, which have also been great.   Our boat came with the FCL sails, but I had heard bad things about them and requested the upgrade.

On "pounding"...      Its a deep keel, relatively flat bottomed boat so the potential for pounding is there.  That said,   fully loaded it can be 25-30 tons and thats not going to get tossed around easily.   We've been in 6-8' swells and chop and it handles those just fine.    I cannot speak to 10-12 kt or storm conditions.

Hope this helps..


Oh yes! It helped! Thank you very much for sharing Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Black Diamond Black Diamond wrote:

  We have the membrane sails, which have also been great.   Our boat came with the FCL sails, but I had heard bad things about them and requested the upgrade. 


Hi Rick... Which bad things did you hear specifically? Performance or long term issues? 


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OK...  I'm going to get into trouble here.. :-)   Sorry in advance to those who take offense...

In building the boat, we were going to install a Leisurefurl boom.    This was the first done on a Hanse at that time (2017).   As such I spent a lot of time playing coordinator between Hanse, Elvstrom and Leisurefurl in California.   The package we got with the boat had all the upgraded electronics and included the FCL sails.  

I checked out the sails with a few owners and found that there were more than a few cases of delamination after a few years.     I also had experience with laminated sails and "the measles" (mildew between the layers which make your sail have black spots that you cannot get out).     While Elvstrom assured us that they include biocides in the sailmaking that prevent mildew,   I heard this on prior sails as well.    I didn't trust it.    It may be true, but experience is a hard thing to overcome.

So... given I wanted them to last a while,  and wanted to avoid "the measles",    I went to the HPM/EPEX technology.     I've been happy with them so far. 

Financially,  I had a lot of people telling me to just take the FCL sails,  stick them on the shelf, and buy membrane sails from a local sailmaker.     That may actually have been a good option, as you would have a set of brand new sails when you sell the boat.   Unfortunately it would have been 35-40K more, so....


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Thank you Rick... I admit I have no measles on my fcl sails for the time being... But I am vaccinated!!! 🤣 


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(Posted in a few threads now)

OK...   I can officially declare that the HPM Membrane sails (Elvstrom EPEX technology) do NOT last as long as they are touted.   The sail looked fine in May when we took our early sails, but between May and August the delamination progressed at a blinding speed.   In fact, this past week it failed catastrophically and we had a devil of a time getting it down as the delaminated cloth jammed in the luff extrusion along with the bolt rope.   So now we need a new sail.

This is the middle of year six.    We liked the sails performance wise,  but they promote them as being 8-10 year sails and that is just not the case.     Both the local ELVSTROM guy as well as my local QUANTUM guy tell me that 6 years for a membrane sail is " pushing it".  

I'm going back to a tri-radial hydranet sail.  They have some new dyneema (vs spectra) variants but its still a woven cloth that can be cut in a tri-radial pattern and needs no laminates and therefore no chance of delamination,  no chance of mildew between layers, and much better "repairability" than a membrane sail.   

The hydranet sails I built for my prior boat in 2007 were still fine when I built the 575 in 2017.   The new owner has still got them on the boat 5+ years later and swears the main still looks and performs like new.

Going back to what works.
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