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    Posted: 26 November 2020 at 23:48
Hi all,

Thought I'd say hello as expect I'll soon be in need of help on here. We have just taken ownership of a 2006 461 here in the UK. She's currently in Scotland having a bit of a refit. We'll holiday in her on the West Coast next spring before working her down to the South Coast (Hamble) some time later in the season where we're based. She'll be a weekend and holiday boat for our family of 5 as well as grandparents and friends etc (8+ berth requirement! ). 

Refit work includes new International Perfection Pro paint (telegrey) to the topsides, replacing original standing rigging, some repairs to the bulkhead bonding forward of the forward head, repair woodwork damage from shower sump leaks, adding a diesel heater (hydronic) and lots of small jobs/repairs. More ideas for later include replacing the standard non folding anchor roller for something that matches the quality of the rest of the boat and can carry code 0 and asymmetric on a furler, adding some solar and probably a reupholster of the saloon.

Have to say thank you to all the past posters on this forum as reading the last 14 years of 461 posts was hugely helpful in deciding she was the boat for us. Very rare to find this sort of owners forum. This plus the combination of the unique layout (8 berth, double + bunk fwd), sailing performance, epoxy hull and proper keel structure were the things that convinced us. 

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Welcome from a fellow Hamble Hanse ;) and congrats on the purchase - Im sure you will have loads of fun, not least getting her to her new home
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hi Richard! We have an 06, 461 and would be happy to help if you have a question. Weve had her for 4 years and have meticulously refitted her over that time. Enjoy! Congratulations 

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Hi Howie, many thanks. Very excited about getting her sailing next year and get to know the boat properly. Would love to hear more about your refit. 

I guess I do already have a question. I'm currently working out what heating system to go for and several heating suppliers suggesting a single 5kw hot air systems with 90mm main insulated ducting and 60mm branches to the outlets. Any thoughts on whether this is sufficient on a 461 (UK climate) and if they'll find the space for the ducting? I noticed a lot of 470s for sale had twin heaters so lightly worried 5kw may be under sized. 

Thanks. 
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Hi Matt, thank you for the welcome. Hope to say hello on the river before long! Look out for a grey 461. Boat name still being cogitated! 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JonB Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 January 2021 at 15:47
Hi Richard,

Welcome to the clan, we too brought our 470e down from Scotland, check your windows (see earlier post of mine) I too have just change our old single non functioning Webasto for a new 5.0kw heater, still Webasto, again see articles.


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good morning Richard,

In our refit, there was a 6 KW Yanmar generator and 2 120 volt 16,000 BTU aircon/ heating units that I removed, each having 3 hair handlers, one on each side of the boat in each cabin, aft, salon, and forward master. Our goal was to replace the AC system with a DC system. Over the last few months, how experiment has proven successful. We put 2,000 watts of solar on our new top as well as 1300 amp hours of battery. In replacing the heating and cooling system, we chose a 12 volt DC powered air conditioning heating solution. The master and guest cabin have 7,000 btu machines, they pull about 20-25 amps. The salon has a larger 12 volt 12,000 BTU machine, it pulls about 40 amps. A great note on these machines is that they have variable compressors, so once they reach temperatures, their amperage drops and become even more efficient. We like the 12 volt units a lot 
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Hi Jon,

Thank you for the welcome. Good to see the 5kW Webasto does the trick. Interestingly the quotes to get one fitted down South are a lot cheaper than in Scotland. 

As it is a 461 I think the windows should be ok as they have a proper metal frame around them. At least, hope that is the case.

Looking forward to getting her South when possible. Might be a while I suspect given the current situation.

Thanks.


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Hi Howie,

That sounds like a very nice system. I wish I could say the UK was warm enough for this to work for us here as that approach is definitely to my liking. Sadly the UK water is so far as I understand too cold for reverse cycle heating to work well at the colder ends of the season but be interesting to know if anyone disagrees. 

Thanks.

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Yes we're hoping to stretch our legs, if that's the right phrase in nautical terms!

I've made quite a few modifications to NK and I'd like to get to use them, so fingers crossed things will ease in the second half. My brother is stuck in Ireland as his wife's sister is not well (before all this) and so I'm hoping to sail over to catch up with them before they fly home to Australia, so we might cross paths literally.

Anyway yes the new 5.0kw is working fine and I'm happy with it, I'm getting hot air where before it was just hope and I'm better in the knowledge of my system.  Don't be tempted to turn the Y junctions for the rear cabins with the air flow as you would think you ought, but turn it against the flow, air will still get to the rear cabins but the pressure in the duct doesn't drop too significantly to stop it reaching the front.  If your thinking of having it fitted down this way then I have just the man, who advised me and supplied me.

He also explained why the old unit would never had worked properly.

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