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    Posted: 24 October 2016 at 20:15
Anybody got lee cloths set up on their 301 saloon settees?

How did you do it?

Pictures would be great. :D

Would like to put this on my winter project list.
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No replies so I guess not :) Here's a pic of what I've done. I will try to document it tomorrow so it's there for anyone wanting to put lee cloths into a 301 in future.





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I do not know if you have used them yet but I found a problem with that design.
When sleeping underway one does need the body to be held fairly firmly, so that one is not woken up by rolling about with the motion of the boat.The soft sides do not prevent this & the vertical lines do not help. you may find it better to move the fixing point out board  so that they pull against the weight of the person in the bunk.
 Also to get in & out of the bunk in a hurry one has to negotiate the vertical lines.
I found this all out years ago in my first yacht.
My solution was to place a metal tube through the top of the lea cloth & have wooden chocks each end on the bulkhead to hold the tube. This meant that anyone sleeping in the berth could curl up in the bunk & push against the leacloth & be held steady. the bar was a bit uncomfortable but we soon learned to put a bit of the sleeping bag or duvet against it.
My current 312 has them but they are not very high & tend to be just to hold bag in one berth whilst sailing. However I deliberately wanted them low because being a single handed sailor I want to get out of the berth quickly in an emergency.
In rough weather a single strap can be taken to the handle under the window from the mid point to support the bar. At least i do not have to negotiate lines & when the leacloths are dropped down there are no lines to stow.
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Hi Sam yes I think I've seen you mention this ?on a ybw.com thread.

First of all the cloths are intended more for in port than underway. To hold bags will be handy but really they are there to make a sort of 'crib' either when an adult is using the berths in port at night, but also to give some secure area for a baby we have on the way, which will soon be crawling about etc and an enclosed settee berth will be handy.

Re. fixing points, my first thought was to run the lines up to the grab rail you can see beneath the windows, and I think this would be the thing to do if using them at sea. I didn't do that because they would then pull the cloths quite hard outboard and make the space a bit coffin-like for use in port. The lines have a toggle on each end which fits through an eyelet in the cloth (each runs up from the cloth, through a pad eye and back down to another point on the cloth), so they can easily be rigged outboard to the rail if wanted. I will try it now that they are all fitted and see how it works.

The only way to get in and out of them however they are rigged is at the head end which is the end closest in the pictures. here there is just a gate made up of a nylon hook snapped onto a pad eye, so all you have to do is uhook that and it's easy to get out, so the vertical lines don't cause a problem form that point of view. Swings and roundabouts though as it might be more difficult with the lines rigged to the handrail and the cloths pulling into the berth.

Re. tubes and so on, the cloths are not meant to be permanently fitted (even when not in use) becuase the usual method of folding them down under the settees would drive me mad- all the tools etc are stowed in the under-settee lockers and I already get exasperated enough having to get past the cushion and dry-mat layer to get into them. The cloths are held in place by toggles through eyelets all round- so they are completely removed when not wanted. If there was a rigid pole involved then the next problem would be where to stow the pole(s), and that's another thing I didn't want to have to do, the 301 is not great on stowage space.

I could add a pole though quite easily, and attach it to the cloths by just spiralling a toggled line around the pole with the toggles through the eyelets, so I will see how they go and have a think about it.


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One of the reason my cloths are not too high is that they can hang down to just clear of the floor so are always rigged ready for use. i never have to stow them. If they were higher then I would just make clips for the pole ends a little higher ( just below the seat cushion)& the cloth would hang down behind the pole so the height of the lea cloth could effectively be twice the height of the seat base above the floor.

As an aside --Have to say that your boat looks in beautiful condition !!Thumbs Up


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Originally posted by samuel samuel wrote:

One of the reason my cloths are not too high is that they can hang down to just clear of the floor so are always rigged ready for use. i never have to stow them. If they were higher then I would just make clips for the pole ends a little higher ( just below the seat cushion)& the cloth would hang down behind the pole so the height of the lea cloth could effectively be twice the height of the seat base above the floor.

As an aside --Have to say that your boat looks in beautiful condition !!Thumbs Up


Thanks very much Smile Seems to have survived well despite the efforts of a small child during the last five years... will see how well she survives having a small baby on board in the springtime!

I will see how the cloths go and I might think about fitting a bar which might be a good idea in the long run.

For future reference of anyone else thinking of fitting cloths to a 301 there is a write-up here (https://sailingkarisma.wordpress.com/2016/11/10/leecloths/) apologies in advance for the rubbish iphone photography though.
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Ours were held by a wooden bead screwed to the base of the seats and then a length of rope clipped to brackets at each end of the bulkhead.  I gave them a wash and they shrunk so need to make up some more.

She came out yesterday for a change of anode etc.. going to be out for a few weeks, hopefully will go back in as a shiny dark blue boat and not a faded light blue boat !!

Cheers

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