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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote charentebob Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 December 2015 at 17:38
Simon

You make a good point about the potential hazard of falling through rail gates. In 30 years of sailing I've never gone overboard, slipped off a pontoon or fallen out of a dinghy. Neither any member of crew either. I think it's a matter of having a safety culture on board & making sure everyone is sticking to it. Sadly not everyone does.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fendant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 January 2016 at 20:31

I do not understand the comments on the danger of rail gates:Question How can you fall through a 50 cm wide gate, when it is closed with upper and lower pelican hooks. I see the advantage in a POB Situation. IMHO the folding bathing platform without a permanentyl fixed ladder is a major design flaw.

Concerning electric winches I saw the installation during my visit to the yard. Happy with my decision for two reasons:
a) Impossible to install them afterwards without ripping the interior apart
b) Vastly enhanced resale value of the boat in a couple of years ( I think electric winches will become a Standard like aircon became a Standard in cars
 
Lesson learned form this thread:
A light in the anchor locker, will install a battery powered LED this spring Smile
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote RalphK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 January 2016 at 13:07

Hi,

another few cents from a 6 months new 385 owner:

The standard 40 winches seem to be ok for me, I never had a problem so far. This spring I will receive a Parasailor sail, will see if then the only two 40 St winches will be sufficient.

I missed to order additional ones but learnt during my factory visit that the aluminum reinforcements are installed within the GFK body regardless if you order the additional winches or not. So if one purchases the little bracket and fixes it at precisely the foreseen location this should be easy. On the other hand it will be more difficult to use secondary winches if you are single handed, the standard ones close to the wheel are very well placed.

I also missed to upgrade to electrical winches, at least on the starboard side as there are the halyards and most important sheets I would love to have one. I still plan to upgrade this later ( as I am approaching 62 years of age, too) but it looks rather difficult to feed the stiff big dia wires all the way to the main batteries. Maybe I will install a separate battery for the winches in the storage room below and just feed small dia charging wires.

If you will stay in the North you definitely will enjoy having a rub rail as you will get into contact to wooden poles all the times, while going thru you cannot have the bumpers out.  Also the exits in the guard rails are very helpful if you berth side-by-side as it happens in full harbors.

Did you order a bow thruster? It is very expensive but also very helpful. Only if you extract it it will retract automatically after one minute or so if not used, so one better pushes one button for a millisecond during harbor maneuvers, otherwise it might be in operational in the moment you need it. And one should move very slowly while engaged, especially backwards, max 1.5 - 2 kn.

Some more wires factory fitted would be excellent but I don't understand Fendant's wish for a tricolor light. The factory fitted lights are LEDs with very low consumption, and a tricolor has safety issues, I would not like this.

Other than this I am very happy with my 385, very little issues, almost nothing and where good support by the dealer - so I am looking forward to good time onboard.

I took her from Greifswald myself and sailed westwards. This spring I will move her from Baltic (Fehmarn) via Helgoland to the Ijsselmeer. Will you be there, too?

Oh, one thing,
if you take yours in Greifswald, too, make sure to have the aluminun prop shaft and the prop itself properly antifouled, the local company there forgot mine, see below when I took her out last fall. Other then this the local company did a good job and was well equipped, I bought quite some things there.

Separetyl I ordered a combined sprayhood / cockpit tent from www.tuchwerkstatt.de which I really enjoyed during some nasty weather habor days last fall. The combination allows to easily remove the sides, so then it just is a bimini. I plan to install some photovoltaic panels on top of the bimini later.


All the best

Ralph

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ida Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2016 at 07:40
Hallo Ralph,
thank you for your very useful informations. Although my dealer promised me to inform me about 6 weeks before the start of construction, yesterday I got an email that next week the construction starts. Becaus I trusted to make many important decisions about the equipment in Düsseldorf at the "boot" I´m now forced to make decisions based only on theory.

The Hanse-price for sprayhood and a small cockpittent (ends in front of helms) is about 5000,-€. It would be helpful to know what the price of yours was.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fendant Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 January 2016 at 09:59
I would not order the sprayhood and the cockpit tent from the Hanse Yard. Their local supplier is clearly substandard in terms of material quality and workmanship. This was one of my lessons learned in 2013.
Hanse seems to be very shy to accept these canvas faults. They never accepted that the lazy bag was too small ( I had to pay the bill for a fixingt his ) and reluctantly supplied a bigger mast hood after numerous interventions by my dealer 1 year (!) later.
 
I don't know where you are based, but I would order canvas work from a local supplier, who uses Quality material like Sunbrella (r), and installs everything himself. If you have any issues he will be around quickly and sort them out.
 
I did this with my Bimini, he designed it with input from me , produced it,  installed it and even repaired a defective zipper one year later without any charge. The design and the quality has caught the attention of some other Hanse owners, who have now ordered for their boats as well.
 
If you have any more questions, just PM me with a contact number.
 
 
 
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Ida,

I agree to Fendants comment, you should not order the sprayhood and others from the factory, too many in between.
As said I ordered at www.tuchwerkstatt.de, they are based at Greifswald in line of view of the factory but not linked to. I paid 4.000 € for all, sprayhood, bimini and cockpit tent including installation and am very happy with the quality, I'll send a PM with a copy to you.  The bimini is specified up to 6 bft. wind, and looks very convincing.
I ordered maybe 4 or 6 weeks before Wind Pearl was supposed to be handed over. They installed the sprayhood already on the day of the hand over, took all necessary data / distances for the bimini / cockpit tent the next day and delivered the whole thing one week later at Rostock where I had sailed to in between. Maybe now as they have all the data they probably wont need the week in between anymore.
The downside is that you don't have the sailmaker close to your home but the upside is that you already have it on your transfer sailing.

Take care.

Ralph
 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ad & José Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 January 2016 at 22:45
Hi all,
Thanks for all the information. I started this questions concerning the additional options and it is good to read all the replies and useful discussions. Especially for me because this is our first boat. We hired for 6 years several sailing ships as well in the Netherlands as in Croatia, for instance Bavaria 34, 44, 37, Elan 384, Jeanneau 36i, Hanse 385 and Dehler 38. The Dehler 38 has certainly the best sailing characteristics, but I am 63 years old and therefore we choose for a boat more easy to handle and fun to sail (as Gaia was saying) or you can also say that we had chosen for the thicker sister of the Dehler 38 with a more beautiful interior and saloon (I do not like the round cabinets and the too small hull portlights of the Dehler).     

I ordered already the rub rail (only steel, I do not like the wooden rub rail) and the guard rail with exits. Further I did not order the electrical winches, I see already the soil of the treasury and the strict look of my wive. I stay as well with the standard light system. Yes, Ralph I have ordered a bow thruster. I ordered the sprayhood and cockpittent as well. However, this will be made by De vries sails after the boat is delivered in the Netherlands and after we have discussed our wishes. 

Ida, strange that the already started with your boat, I ordered my boat in August and the dealer was saying a to me 2 weeks ago that they start to build half February and the delivery will be end of March.   

Ralph (Wind pearl), we will start sailing on the IJsselmeer and later sailing to Belgium and England, please look at a Hanse 385 with an orange gennaker (produced by Hagoort Sails), we still looking for a name of the boat. Maybe we will meet each other.           
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ida Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 January 2016 at 00:00
@ Ad (& José):
It´s indeed strange that my boat starts building this week although I ordered a month later than you.
The main things of my boat are:
We cancelled the order of sprayhood&tent, therefore we took the one like RalfK showed above.
3 cabins
furling main
electric winches
bow thruster
short keel
exits on both sides
big cockpittable
rub rails (not from hanse) :



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Dear Ida and others,
I believe that we have to close this topic. I still have another question concerning the purchase and use of a code zero on 385. For this subject I will start a new topic. Thanks everyone for the answers and discussions concerning this topic and I am looking forward to receive my new boat at the end of March.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rock Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 January 2016 at 17:33
I'm looking to put a stainless steel rub rail on. Solid 25mm wide 7mm thick, round, with holes pre drilled.
This is what I see on most Dehlers and Hanses in Düssseldorf.

Has anybody done this themselves yet?

I was wondering wether the screws should go in the hull through and through or not.

Preferable not, depending on the thickness of the hull at that point.

Any experience out there?

Peter.
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