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Topic: 388
Posted By: AndyS
Subject: 388
Date Posted: 23 July 2017 at 02:01
So Hanse has announced the 388 - seems to be a little lighter in the saloon with some extra windows built into the hull. What does everyone think? 

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Andy
Moonraker
River Dunes, NC



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Posted By: S&J
Date Posted: 23 July 2017 at 07:35
I am looking forward to seeing one. I understand that the new designs will all be at the Southampton boat show.
Looks like the heads layout has been altered which might address my biggest gripe about the current design.
More ports in the saloon will also help. I miss the hull ports in the saloon that I had in my previous boat.
Mast looks taller but sail area appears similar.
Additional lockers take advantage of the wasted space at the aft end of the hull.

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H458 #159 Primal Mediterranean cruising


Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 23 July 2017 at 14:05
Great point about the wasted space aft - I always feel like every inch should be useable for something. 

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Andy
Moonraker
River Dunes, NC


Posted By: MAGNUM 1
Date Posted: 29 July 2017 at 16:27
The only goal: reduce the cost of production and sell it more expensive


Posted By: S&J
Date Posted: 31 July 2017 at 14:28
Magnum, what have you seen to suggest that the price has increased? The prices I have seen (Spanish dealer) look comparable with the 385. I can understand that the factory may want to simplify manufacturing costs but that does not necessarily reduce quality.

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H458 #159 Primal Mediterranean cruising


Posted By: MAGNUM 1
Date Posted: 31 July 2017 at 19:44
HI,
The price related to the basically version now is 138 k€. In 2016 the comparebal price has been 123 k€. The ship now has less sail, more ballast, more draft. Seems that there is a conjunction to the new rules of seeworthiness. The interior has been changed in the area of the salon. Additional windows in the hull take place instead of boards. No bow lamps at all, no wine lockerin the salon, no seat board in the bow cabine. And no openable windows. But an aditional skylight. At least the layout of the locker has been changed a litle bit. But too less place remains to be less place.
All in all I think that the yard has been urged to relaunch the 385 because of the changed seeworthiness criterias. Some not so worthy changes concerning the interior are used to cover the real necessary. And of course: to increase the price.
All the information launched here are referred to the launched information in the internet at present but may be wrong at least.


Posted By: 415 Singapore
Date Posted: 01 August 2017 at 09:04
When we bought our 415 three years ago, we looked closely at the 385 as well, so I was interested to read about the certification changes to the 385 and subsequent launch of the 388. Having just looked on the Hanse website to look at the 388, I see there is now a 418 that replaces the 415. From what I understood the certification of the 415 didn't change so why have they replaced a relatively recent model?
All the best
Paul


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Paul - Night Train - 415 #136


Posted By: MAGNUM 1
Date Posted: 01 August 2017 at 15:00
They have launched the model 348 too. And the 345 was really a young design. I am owning a 385 gone to water in early 2016. The CE classification is A. For more details pls. refer to the thread about this issue.
Comparing the stability curves of 385 and 388 you will find that the 385 has 5000 kgm and the 388 has 6000 kgm righting moment. Perhaps the model 415/418 may have similar measurements. But all figures are calculated for the static case. That means: no waves, no wind, no movements. The more realistic case is the situation on wild sea and strong wind...
The intepretation is really not so easy. In former times never any designer could calculate the stixx-index, whiche tries to translate the complicate dynamic issue of the behavior of a ship into one figur only. But today the yards are contributed to fullfill the CE-norms.


Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 02 August 2017 at 18:36
Hi All,
 
We will try to update the forum with the new models but for now they are fine in the old categories.
 
There will be 4 new models this year, which are the 348, 388, 418 and 548.
 
The 345, 385 and 415 are all relatively old for a series boat builder being launched 5/6 years ago.
 
The new models do all of the things the older models did well in terms of the fully laminated bulkheads, big subframe structures, easy handling etc but also address some of the items that could be improved.
 
The rig on the 348 and 388 are slightly taller and the sail area slightly larger to assist with light wind sailing.  Up 3.5 sqm on the 348 and up 2 sqm on the 388 (a mistake on the initial spec release suggests a slight reduction).
 
Keel design and weight is increased slightly on all, which has a particular benefit on the 388 as it puts it back in the Cat A, which became more stringent in January this year.
 
Storage space is improved, additional light below, new hull windows, a higher quality of interior finish - all good stuff really.
 
It is a more expensive boat to build, especially due to the use of structural glass around the companionway to improve the light below but not hugely more expensive.
 
A little price increase is not too painful as no-one wants to own the cheapest boat on the water ;-)
 
 


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Inspiration Marine Group LTD - UK Importer for Hanse Yachts. Helping owner’s to get the best from their boats.


Posted By: MAGNUM 1
Date Posted: 03 August 2017 at 12:04
Hi Yeoman,

thanks for the helpful comments.

I just took a view into the specifications which are shown on the hanse site. For the 388 the sail area is 72 sqm (=-2sqm). The animation pics show that the windows in the hull now can not be opened.

But any way: I feel fine with my 385. But the question is why does Hanse nothing to explain what has changed the certification? At present some hundreds of owners are really worried about this issue.

Best greetings, Magnum1


Posted By: Yeoman
Date Posted: 03 August 2017 at 18:47
Hi Magnum,
 
It is a good question but also the same thing for every builder where a model that sat in one category is then in another without any changes to the boat.
 
A 385 delivered in 2016 is the old Cat A and then one delivered in 2017 (built to exactly the same specification) is Cat B.
 
As you know from your research it is simply a matter of the method of measurement universally changing so that it is more realistic in terms of the way the boat is loaded and finally used.
 
The new measurements are much more realistic in a "real world" situation and therefore a good idea but as you say some explanation would have been a good idea.
 
Kind regards
 
Phil


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Inspiration Marine Group LTD - UK Importer for Hanse Yachts. Helping owner’s to get the best from their boats.


Posted By: MAGNUM 1
Date Posted: 03 August 2017 at 19:36
Hi Phil,
Thanks.
Yours Magnum1


Posted By: Mr Bluesky
Date Posted: 18 September 2017 at 20:10
Just been to Southampton boat show. The 388 looks like a good boat, but if you're a 385 owner you may not be impressed with some new features, I personally wouldn't swap my 385 for one. The 418 is a different story though, Hanse have improved the feel of that below deck, we really like the new island V berth and lighter saloon, may be tempted to upgrade if we can get a good deal.

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Mr Blue Sky - 385 #359 - Sail safe sail Hanse.


Posted By: StavrosNZ
Date Posted: 19 September 2017 at 01:24
lighter timber interiors is a real improvement, lighter more open feel, as to increased number of hatches and port lights lovely to look at but i cringe at issues this will cause during ownership. This forum is full of leaking hatch, portlight and window entries and the more that are in the hull & decks the more that will leak, flexing stressing under sail etc.

Synthetic skin fitting (well done Hanse finally) but still brass ball valves and tails (come on dont do half a job Hanse).

Outboard chain plates and inability to run more headsail options not ideal in my view.

Lift the floor boards and look under the bunks in transom cavity, does anyone think build quality is better, worse or the same as say 10 years ago...................i have my own view on pre vs during and post GFC quality!


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Stephen
2010 H400 #691, Auckland, New Zealand


Posted By: MAGNUM 1
Date Posted: 28 January 2018 at 10:07
Dear friends,

at present the boat show in Düsseldorf is closing soon and I can deliver my impressions when I visited the fair. My impressions are related to the 385/388.

1. Seaworthiness. A dealer answered very free: In January 2017 the rules has been changed. 

Before the assumptions have been that the tanks for water and diesel are filled only half, the crew is completed to the allowed amount and half of them are on deck and half of them under deck. The luggage is in total stored under deck. The equipment ist out of the calculation and the mast and sails are in standard version. 

Since the amendment of the rules are now: The maximum number of members of the crew are on deck, the luggage is on deck, all available equipment ist mounted, the mast  is assumed to be the version with rolled main sail (the increase of the weight is 35 kg !!! to be multiplied with the length of the mast). Summary: the worst case determines the seaworthiness. To counter these issue the wight of the keel is increased.

2. The keel: In past Hanse offered 3 versions: torpedo,  L-form and shallow. They are talking about improved performance but are talking about the reduction of variety of available keels too. 

3. The new design: 
3a. On deck: 
The roof has gotten a little bit different design. The distance between windows and roof seems to be enlarged and in relation to the new windows this gives the ship another physiognomy. 

In the standard version the ship is delivered without sternflap and there are no seats for the helmsman and of course no stowage there in. And there is no stowage under the left seat. For compensation of the missing stowage there are new storage spaces under the floor. The gas bottle now is placed in the left case for the ropes in a separated compartment. 

On the left and right side of the companion are very large flat windows. They take the available space complete. The hatches can not be opened. 

3b: Under deck:
The dimension of the bath has not been changed. But the layout is changed. The interior now consists of white plastic with the exception of the closet.  A very small window within the window can be opened.

The eyes are catched by the new design of the salon area.  On the left and right side dominate the large new windows behind the seats. The lower stowages are dispenses and instead of there is the white wall of the ship's side. Above are stowages located. The bulkhead continues the white band of the ship's side and above the band it is paneled.  

All windows in the hull and the roof can't be opened excluded one hatch in the roof. In the pantry is no openable window either.

In the front cabin the layout is changed a little bit. The stowage in the seat on the right is dispensed and the shelfes are reduces.

4. The engine is built by Yanmar now. 

The list of orderable equipment and improvements is very long. For example you can order seats for the helmsman or partially openable windows or a sternflap. The new stern flap has a very important change: The bathing and rescue ladder is fully integrated with a flat design.

I hope that I could give you honestly an overview about the main differences between the 385 and the 388. There are some additional but smaller changes. 

I honestly tried to prevent my personal impression about the redesign. I'm really happy to own a 385. That means too the ratio between equipped ship and final price.

If there are any questions don't hesitate to ask.

Yours, MAGNUM1






   
 
  

 




Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 28 January 2018 at 13:01
Thanks Magnum! There is nothing like seeing something with your own eyes. Sounds like the 385 is still a very good boat! 

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Andy
Moonraker
River Dunes, NC


Posted By: charentebob
Date Posted: 28 January 2018 at 14:19
I went to the London Boat Show in January (Don’t think of going as it is now a waste of your time & money) and saw the 388 & 418. The best thing about both is the retractable bathing ladder on the drop down bathing platform. Internally the hull windows are fine but in the saloon this means the wall storage cupboards are smaller. The bathroom of the 415 now has the toilet in the shower cubicle. This means whenever the shower is used you will need to dry the whole of the toilet area before it can be used. The redesign of the bathroom provides no more useable storage than before so I don’t see the point. OK the saloon is a bit lighter but the pale wood whilst fashionable will date quickly & it gave me a strong impression that it had been designed & supplied by Ikea. In the cockpit the below floor storage areas near the stern were OK but pulling a life raft out would be difficult. The fold up helm seats do not have restraints on them at their travel limit so if a load was applied say in a bad sea the hinges would be put under stress & could suffer damage. A cord limiting the travel would be essential. Hanse have not listened to owners & still don’t fit grab handles in front of the wheels. In my view & many others is that these are a vital safety item in the very wide cockpit. We use them unconsciously when moving from the helm positions forward. These latter comments refer equally to the 388 & 418. In summary I would not swap our 415 for a 418 unless it was the 2 cabin version, ours is a 3 cabin so less storage.

Nigel


Posted By: Persse
Date Posted: 28 January 2018 at 23:32
The outward opening ports on my 385 are a blessing for cross breeze ventilation, as I live in a very warm climate. That is not something I would be happy about losing.


Posted By: hawkeye
Date Posted: 29 January 2018 at 08:44
I cannot understand the constant reduction in opening windows/hatches. We have had weeks of 30+ degree days in New Zealand this summer and the 12 (yes that's right - 12) opening windows and hatches on my 2007 370e have all been used to the max. 
John
Sublime 370e


Posted By: Axel
Date Posted: 05 February 2018 at 08:37
Dear Magnum1,

I visited the very boat on the Düsseldorf Show. The description, you gave, is very true. A lot of disadvantages. The only two improvements are the larger holding tank and the ladder at the bathing platform.
But a serious problem are the windows: They cannot be opened and the number of openings in the top has been increased. When the strong meditteranean sun is shining you might feel to be in a greenhouse without sufficient ventilation!

I am happy to have a 385!

Axel (who waits for the new season)


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Hanse 385 #434 Nyanga 2


Posted By: Ida
Date Posted: 05 February 2018 at 09:41
I agree in 100% with the critics. I war really frightend seeing the 388 at the boot-dusseldorf. The cold coffin-like owner-cabin and the small space when sitting on the toilett e.g. is a no go for me.

I can not understand that the constructors and designers of hanse made such a sabotage to the shipyard.
It seems they never sailed a boat for more than half an hour.

Dear constructors, please read our complaints here an write your comment in this forum !


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Hanse 385 #426, "eLisa", May2016, 3Cabins, Selden Mast, Elvström FCL, Furling Main, Draft: 1,63m, Volvo D2-40, Bowthruster


Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 05 February 2018 at 15:59
I am also glad to own a 385! As much as people like the built-in stairs on the swim platform, I also see them as potentially dangerous. Seems like getting off or on the platform in the dark could lead to a serious ankle injury if you happen to step on that area without paying attention. I would rather have a flat surface there I think. 

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Andy
Moonraker
River Dunes, NC


Posted By: AndyS
Date Posted: 25 April 2018 at 00:53
I was able to see the 388 at the Annapolis Spring Sailboat Show this past weekend, and I agree with most of the comments made about it. One positive thing I would say: after looking at all the sailboats in the 38' range (Dufour, Beneteau, Bavaria, etc.) I believe that the Hanse is the best. In my mind, it clearly was the nicest of everything I saw in the size and price range. 

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Andy
Moonraker
River Dunes, NC


Posted By: Snow White
Date Posted: 25 April 2018 at 14:52
Hi All,
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I don't know...  I am in possession of the owner manuals of the 348 and 388.
About the CE design categories, yes, the 348 remains in category B despite an increase in
keel weight (+-250 Kgs).
The 388 is now filed in A, but ONLY in the classic mast version.  The furling mast version
REMAINS in B !
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The prices announced by HANSE in Düsseldorf have already been increased by 2% two months ago...
Also changed for a few options (more in higher).  Funny politics !
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If interested, I have the Düsseldorf prices of all Hanse units on a Excel sheet... 


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Have a good Day.


Posted By: Snow White
Date Posted: 25 April 2018 at 16:30
Sorry,
.
The 388 is now filed in category A WITH the additional keel weight...
Not concern the 348.


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Have a good Day.


Posted By: MAGNUM 1
Date Posted: 25 April 2018 at 18:00
The 388 is filed in the categories A and B either. It depends on number of people on board.


Posted By: Mr Bluesky
Date Posted: 25 April 2018 at 18:55
I suggest unless we intend to head into the roaring forties, or navigate Cape Horn, a 385 or 388 will be more than sufficient. It’s an ideal boat for coastal cruising, or even for a gentle drift across the Atlantic. My 385 has taken me quite sedately around the Baltic, through the North Sea, sailed extensively in the English Channel and navigated the Atlantic Coast of France numerous times. I hope to circumnavigate The British Isles in coming months, it’s not too big for most Harbours, and plenty sturdy enough in the WAZ of the British Coast. Not heard of one breaking up or loosing a keel yet either. Bon Voyage, Mr Blue Sky.

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Mr Blue Sky - 385 #359 - Sail safe sail Hanse.


Posted By: S&J
Date Posted: 26 April 2018 at 13:50
Hi Adrian,

I'm a little behind you, still in the Baltic 3 years after taking ownership, however I am returning to the UK this spring.  I am considering a circumnavigation of Great Britain next year so I am keen to hear more about your own experiences this year.

I also agree that the category A/B issue should not affect the majority of owners who will rarely be more than 24 hours from land.

And we do know that "Interlude" made it from Greifswald to Sydney - a terrific achievement.


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H458 #159 Primal Mediterranean cruising


Posted By: Snow White
Date Posted: 26 April 2018 at 14:13
@MAGNUM 1,
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Just for the principle....


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Have a good Day.


Posted By: Mr Bluesky
Date Posted: 26 April 2018 at 15:50
Magnum, Looking at that I think I’d rather be on boat ‘B’ than boat ‘A’ so I’ll stick with my 385, although being a 2016 vintage is CAT A 🤔

S&J, Interlude had an amazing blog, they are an inspiration to us coastal cruisers. We keep a blog for our own amusement, you can see how we cope with <4m waves around Britain this season @ mrblueskysite.wordpress.com

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Mr Blue Sky - 385 #359 - Sail safe sail Hanse.


Posted By: MAGNUM 1
Date Posted: 27 April 2018 at 21:35
only one remark:

on Monday last week  Bavaria has announced to be insolvent ...




Posted By: S&J
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 05:35
Had my first look at the exterior of the 388 yesterday. Whilst I like the additional glass on the cabin roof and the additional hull port,I cannot really see the need for all the extra glass in the companionway which loses the useful storage spaces.
I hadn't appreciated that the stern is totally open (no swim platform on the model I viewed) and I feel I would miss the helm seat here. Not sure where the life raft storage and gas bottle locker have been moved to.
Incidentally, I am at the Greifswald yard and there are still at least two 385 models (#507 and #509) ready for delivery or collection by their new owners.

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H458 #159 Primal Mediterranean cruising


Posted By: MAGNUM 1
Date Posted: 03 May 2018 at 08:23
Swim platform and helm seats too are additional options and have to be payed as extra.
The bottle with gas is now located in the left box, where the lines are stored.
Liferaft shall be placed under the floor.



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