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Topic: Main sail measurements
Posted By: Furhoff
Subject: Main sail measurements
Date Posted: 30 July 2018 at 17:08
I am about ordering a new main sail.

Does anyone know where can I find the originally specified measurements on the main sail?

Thanks
Markus



Replies:
Posted By: Furhoff
Date Posted: 30 July 2018 at 17:09
....its for a Hansen 400.2    2010


Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 30 July 2018 at 17:26
You don't need to be constrained by what was there originally so it would be much better to talk with your local sail loft about what would work best. This way it can be optimized for your local sailing conditions, the type of sailing that you do and of course all the trade offs related to price.

A 2007 400e has a P of 53.15 ft and E of 18 ft if that helps

Steve


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Steve

Hanse 400e, #168


Posted By: StavrosNZ
Date Posted: 31 July 2018 at 05:55
Hi Markus, i also have 2010 400, i had new laminated sails made by Doyle Sails, Main slightly larger in roach and foot than standard and S/T jib 15% larger with battens.

Main sail luff = 16.22m
Mainsail Foot = 5.520m

Stephen 


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Stephen
2010 H400 #691, Auckland, New Zealand


Posted By: Furhoff
Date Posted: 31 July 2018 at 15:31
Tanks Stephen!

You have done what I am planning to do.


Posted By: jeb
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 08:57
I would consider making a an overlapping jib that you sheet on the cabin top. Gives even more area.
When I upgraded my jib last year for my Hanse 400e from 2006 I got 2 different proposoals from the swedish sailmaker Gransegel (selftacker and overlapping). Both were based on their glider design with one long curvec battern and one standing. Self tacker was by design 35 sqm and overlapping was 42 sqm. Tacking is not an issue even when sailing single handed and I only need to use the winch for the last 10-20 cm. Since I'm using the ordenary genua  tracks I have added inhaulers to be able to get the right angle. On the 2006 and 2007 I know there are backingplates for tracks on the cabintop, but inhaulers were both more economic as well as more flexible.


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Jesper
Hanse 400e


Posted By: SamsonII
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 09:10
Hi Jesper,

Do you have any pictures of how you have arranged the inhaulers? I also have a larger genua and the lower tracks, and would like it closer to the centerline when sailing upwind.


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Stein-Erik Carlsen

Hanse 370e 2006 #41 "Samson II"


Posted By: jeb
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 10:00
I will take some pictures next time I'm at the boat. But Basically I have mounted 2 padeyes (one on each side) on the roof and 2 extra blocks at the mast foot. I have routed a dynema on each side from the padeye, thrue an antal ring, to the extra block on the mast foot. Those 2 are spliced togehter and is routed thrue the deck organized and then back to one organizer. This gives me a 2:1 purchase and both inhaulers are controlled by the same line. 
What size (in %) is your Genua. My jib is called a max jib, maybee 107-110% and when fully sheeted it's still in front of the stays and spreaders (but extreemly close.

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Jesper
Hanse 400e


Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 08 August 2018 at 17:41
Jeb, if you have a 2006 400e why didn't you install cabin top jib track instead of the pad eye arrangement you're using. There are built in backing plates. Works excellent.

SamsonII, I don't believe you'll be able to use inner haulers on a big overlapping genoa as you'll just pull the sail into the spreaders and shrouds won't you?


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Steve

Hanse 400e, #168


Posted By: jeb
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 10:30
Steve,
as I wrote I used inhaulers for 2 diferent resonds.
1) Less expensive
2) More flexible. Easy to change the sheeting angle depening of conditions.
 
I was thinking of adding tracks on the roof but I'm not shore how to route the sheet down to the winch thru the block cloose to the rail. Do you have any pictures of this? 
 
Since I'm sailing single handed quite often I would like to have the option to move the jib sheet to my combined Main/Spinnacker winch to be able to control both the main and the jib from the helm. To accomodate this I have added an extra block on top of standard Lewmar Jib block (each side at the rail) with a built in jammer (that i'm using for the jib). Main is sheeded (german sheeting) thrue the the original block then thrue a standard spinnlock jammer behind that block (cloose to the pushpit) with a padeye/block behind and up to the winch.
 
With this setup I can move the job sheet between the winches while saling. When sailing single handed I lock the lee jammer for the main and use that winch for jib. When tacking I lock both jammers for the main.... Woorks extreemly well.


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Jesper
Hanse 400e


Posted By: Rubato
Date Posted: 13 August 2018 at 17:42
Your setup sounds great. I had a terrible time with the initial inner haulers but it may have just been the way it was setup - bad angles - since this isn't what Hanse intended. We couldn't point or get the right sail shape at all. Found it a lot easier once I put the tracks in place but if you're happy with the way you've set it up then that's excellent!.

As for sheeting the jib when using the cabin top track, we route it through the cabin top car, then down through the car on the genoa side tracks and then to the side block and up to the winch. Pretty straight forward.

Cheers


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Steve

Hanse 400e, #168


Posted By: Captain Cook
Date Posted: 19 December 2018 at 23:53
I just noticed some confusing measures for the mainsail of the 400 in this thread.
This is from the official Hanse brochure from 2006.

LOA 12.10 m | 39´7˝
LWL 10.80 m | 35´4˝
Hull length 11.99 m | 39´3˝
Beam 4.04 m | 13´25˝
Draft 1.98 m | 6´5˝ (standard)
1.65 m | 5´4˝ (option)
Displacement approx. 8.5 t | approx. 18,739 lb.
Ballast approx. 2915 kg | appox. 6,426 lb.
Engine 29,5 kW / 40 HP
Fresh water approx. 300 l
Fuel tank approx. 140 l
CE Certificate A (Ocean)
Mast length above WL approx. 19.52 m | approx. 64´
Total sail area approx. 105.60 m² | approx. 1,137 sq. ft.
Main sail approx. 52.20 m² | approx. 562 sq. ft.
Self-tacking jib approx. 36.20 m² | approx. 390 sq. ft.
Genoa 140% approx. 53.40 m² | approx. 575 sq. ft. (option)
Gennaker approx. 120.00 m² | approx. 1,292 sq.ft. (option)
I 16.50 m I 54´1˝
J 4.62 m | 15´2˝
P 16.20 m | 53´2˝
E 5.57 m | 18´3˝




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Freya H400 #27 (2006), 40HP 3JH4E, 2-cabin, 3-blade Flexofold, Aries LiftUp Windvane, Exturn 300, Jefa DD1,Simrad NX40,Icom M603(VHF)+M802(SSB)


Posted By: Lonlon
Date Posted: 03 June 2019 at 17:31
Hello Sorry but I speak with a translator. I would like to buy a sail before "a medium genoa" because the autovireur lacks power in small weather. I would like to know if someone would have the dimensions of the hoist, the fall, the border for a maximum genois? Thank you in advance lonlon

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Lonlon


Posted By: Lonlon
Date Posted: 03 June 2019 at 17:32
Sorry, I specify on furling.

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Lonlon


Posted By: DJgun
Date Posted: 08 April 2021 at 03:09
It seems the J dimension provided by Hanse may not be correct for all 400s. I have checked my own 2007 build, and another(2009 build), and both have J=2.35m  not 2.62m.

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DJ Sailor Ordinaire
HIN DE-HANJ0331J708



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