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Single-handing your 430

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Topic: Single-handing your 430
Posted By: rickwheatley
Subject: Single-handing your 430
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 22:11
Hi all,

Would love to learn from those of you who have spent some time single-handing the 430.

To set the stage, I'm working with a six winch setup - two on the cabin roof (electric to starboard) and four aft in the cockpit. 

My last boat was an old Swedish Wasa 55 with a small cockpit so nothing was out of reach - though there were 'extra' jobs like running backstays.

When I use the natural cabin-top winches for the main and jib sheets, they feel far from the steering position. Anyone using those winches to run the sheets toward the winches closer to the steering position? 

I'm also struggling with halyards loosening (not related to single-handing) so it is tempting to keep them on the cabin top winches. 

Anyway - any experiences here will get a listen!



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Posted By: Helios_ri
Date Posted: 23 May 2022 at 22:44
Well, I converted my mainsheet system to a "german" mainsheet system. It is double ended, each end goes down the mast to the fairleads on the cabin top, and then back to the big primary winches in the back of the boat, reachable by the helmsman. I also put a traveler system on, but you don't need to do that to lead the mainsheet back. I put sheet stoppers in front of the winches so you can unload the winches and use them for other things.

Then this season I electrified one of the aft winches because my wife's shoulder was bothering her.. ....




Posted By: Helios_ri
Date Posted: 24 May 2022 at 02:59


Posted By: Helios_ri
Date Posted: 24 May 2022 at 03:03


Posted By: PekkaL
Date Posted: 24 May 2022 at 08:31
I've led (on my 371) the jib sheet to the starboard rear winches through 
(1) a block in the self tacker stand and
(2) a block in he barber hauler fastening just after the shrouds (custom added)

With this, I manage the self tacker form either of the rear starboard winched.

Maybe the attached pic helps to describe the set up:  https://pbase.com/pekkal/image/163438494.jpg" rel="nofollow - https://pbase.com/pekkal/image/163438494.jpg
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Pekka Leppanen, "Vedette"


Posted By: rickwheatley
Date Posted: 25 May 2022 at 09:13
Really appreciated! 

I think in the interim I can route the main and jib sheets around the cabin top winches toward the aft winches. Main sheet to starboard and jib to port. I'm curious if I can then keep the main halyard on the electric starboard cabin top winch as I do this though.. 

Another question: For some reason, I'm struggling to get the luff tight using just the clutch. Even after replacing the clutch cam with a 6-10mm (which just makes it hard work to drop the sail and has virtually no impact on the luff tension) it's still loose in the two meters above the boom. Driving me nuts :)


Posted By: PekkaL
Date Posted: 25 May 2022 at 16:19
I am struggling a bit with the terminology & translations, so I may have misunderstood ... but anyhow: are you using a cunningham (downhaul)? 

I do not think there is any way to sheet the bottom of the mainsail luff tight without it, as it would assume perfect geometry regardless of boom angle & mast bend. 

I have routed the cunningham from a fastening at the bottom of the mast (where the kicker is attached) through an eye in sail the through block at the mast foot to the clutch, giving me 2:1 purchase ratio, which is enough for H371 ... and I do not want tear the sail.

===  https://www.sailingtotem.com/blog/2016/05/mainsail-trim-luff-tension.html" rel="nofollow - https://www.sailingtotem.com/blog/2016/05/mainsail-trim-luff-tension.html ===

Luff: The leading or front edge of a sail.Luff tension: force exerted along the luff (vertically) mainly by the halyard; and also cunningham if rigged.

Cunningham: Block and tackle used to adjust mainsail luff tension. Lower end is attached to the mast just above the deck. The upper end has a hook to attach to a ring just above about 15Ē (38cm) above the tack. The purchase ratio is commonly 4:1.

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Pekka Leppanen, "Vedette"


Posted By: rickwheatley
Date Posted: 25 May 2022 at 17:05
Hi Pekka, have not been using a cunningham - not currently rigged but a simple fix I suppose. 

You're correct on terms - this is luff tension. Weirdly - I feel like most of the slack in the luff is below the cunningham slot on the mainsail.


Posted By: rickwheatley
Date Posted: 25 May 2022 at 17:15
And awesome post and site - sailingtotem.. Thanks!


Posted By: PekkaL
Date Posted: 25 May 2022 at 17:44
The eye for the cunningham in my main sail is maybe 30-40 cm from the main sail bottom. Tightening the cunningham produces of course a major wrinkle below the eye, but smooth sail above it. So instead of 2m loose main sail puff you should end up with a foot or so.

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Pekka Leppanen, "Vedette"


Posted By: Mark_J1
Date Posted: 27 May 2022 at 00:09
On my 400e I have an electric winch to Stbd rear. So I run the main halyard to that. That allows me to hoist while at the helm. Main sheet goes to Port rear. Vang to Stbd cabin top (unless needed for a reef). Outhaul to Port cabin top (again unless needed for a reef etc). That leaves Genoa sheets to forward winches or if using the STJ then that goes to Stbd. Traveller I have a on long lengths that can be pulled back to the helm in principle. In reality, if needed in a hurry Iíll often ease the main a little then sort the traveller when thereís a moment to go forward of the wheel. I can tack up rivers with that setup even with the Genoa on. With the STJ on itís almost too easy :) Suitable use of autopilot or wheel brake lets me adjust outhaul, Cunningham or vang tension. 

Mark


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Hanse 400e "Grey Goose" Hull #31


Posted By: Helios_ri
Date Posted: 27 May 2022 at 18:08
Pekka,

Could you post more detailed pictures? First pic looks to be standard set up, with jib sheet going up the mast.

I would like to see how you have led the jib sheets through the block on the self tacker stand and then back alongside. can you post a closer pic?


Posted By: PekkaL
Date Posted: 27 May 2022 at 21:03
The sheet comes from the mast first to block at the base of the mast, then to through a block at the self tacker stand (pictured), then through barber hauler block (pictured) and finally through genoa block to either of the rear winches.

The fastening for barber hauler block is noin standard in H371. I guess the block could be attached to the shrouds base instead?







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Pekka Leppanen, "Vedette"


Posted By: rickwheatley
Date Posted: 27 May 2022 at 22:13
Sounds reasonable. The eyelet for mine is about the same. Will rig it and get used to it. 

Appreciate the info and advice! Great resource this.



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