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Topic: Gennaker to the 350
Posted By: bjoris
Subject: Gennaker to the 350
Date Posted: 19 March 2008 at 23:04
I am taking a chance, buying a gennaker before I have got my new boat. I then need to trust the measurment in the spec, J beeing 4,2 meter I beeig, 14,1 meter. Have anyone actually made some controll of this measurments?
 
I have got several offers and they have been from 82 sqm to the one I now have ordered from Fareastsails.com which is 90,6 sqm...
 
The one I now have ordered and need to approve before it goes into production have the following measurments.
 
Luff: 14,0 meter
Leech: 12,88 meter
Foot: 7,61 meter
90,6 sqm


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H350#118
www.bjoris.blogspot.com



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Posted By: coriolis2
Date Posted: 20 March 2008 at 06:54
Bjoris, also oredered an Genua and Gennaker. based on the luff of the North Jib of 13,5m I've ordered a Genua Contender ACL PEN of 40.7m2 and a (full black) Downwinder Gennaker with a luff of 14,35m, based on the calculated total frontstay length of 14,71m. Don't have the exact sqm. have the data at work.
Ordered them at Supersailstores in the Netherlands, produced in Turkey(next to the North plant?).
Will have a Karver KF1 furler on the Gennaker, so I should be able to handle it singlehanded.
 
Handover date April 8th....can't wait.....
 
Regards, Rob


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"Coriolis" H350 #045 (ex Waarschip 570 #? 1987/1992, ex Waarschip 28LD #7 1994/2007)


Posted By: Abstinenz
Date Posted: 20 March 2008 at 15:08
Originally posted by bjoris bjoris wrote:

I am taking a chance, buying a gennaker before I have got my new boat. I then need to trust the measurment in the spec, J beeing 4,2 meter I beeig, 14,1 meter. Have anyone actually made some controll of this measurments?
 
I have got several offers and they have been from 82 sqm to the one I now have ordered from Fareastsails.com which is 90,6 sqm...
 
The one I now have ordered and need to approve before it goes into production have the following measurments.
 
Luff: 14,0 meter
Leech: 12,88 meter
Foot: 7,61 meter
90,6 sqm

Hi Bjoris

The size mentoned looks okay to me for a 350.
On the 342 Luff is 13,92 and there's still enough space for the snuffer , Leech 12,00, foot 7,04 and 8,45 over the shoulders if it's a down wind gennaker (aprox 101 m2), but forget the 8,45 if it's a normal reaching gennaker. 

/Steen 



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Hanse 342#436


Posted By: bjoris
Date Posted: 20 March 2008 at 23:10
Coriolis2: Looks like you have all the sail you need. Insted of a Genoa we have gone for a flatter cut of the Gennaker. It will be very interesting to see how she perform. I hope you will tell us about the differens from the selftacker and your new genoa!
 
Abstinenz: Thank you, I also belive it is perfectly okey, but I wonder a litle why Wendel & Rados Gennaker is only 82 sqm. This is nearly 9 sqm less the ours...  That was the reason I was conserned ours might be to big...


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H350#118
www.bjoris.blogspot.com


Posted By: coriolis2
Date Posted: 21 March 2008 at 07:58
Bjoris, checked it, the Gennaker is estimated at 81/82 sqm.
Will certainly inform everybody on the performance!
 
Regards, Rob


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"Coriolis" H350 #045 (ex Waarschip 570 #? 1987/1992, ex Waarschip 28LD #7 1994/2007)


Posted By: Brufan
Date Posted: 24 January 2011 at 12:32
I'm planning to buy an Asymetric spinnaker for my (future) H355 just for cruising (no racing... for now).
I have an oppotunity to buy a Momentum All Round Assymetric size 7 (82,6 mē luff : 13,80 m).
Will it fit ?
I think a size 8 spinnaker with a 14,6 m luff will be too long especially if used with a snuffer.

Thanks for your help.

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Bruno

hanse 355 - 57

S/Y Spicy Ginger

White hull, 2 cabins, Volvo D1-30, Selden rig, removable mainsheet track system, Simrad (now B&G)-Jefa autopilot.


Posted By: Gran Onada
Date Posted: 31 January 2011 at 15:38
I'm also interested in a Sailselect Assymetric http://www.sailselect.nl/index.php/en/standard-spinnakers , and I think size may be should be nš7, but I'm not sure?????

Also Coriolis2, I would like to know how is the Gennaker Furler working, are you satified? If I get one, will a standar Assymetric suit the furler? or Should I order a custom made one?

If you have photos of the furler and the attachment would be great so I can take ideas how to fit it.

Thanks & Regards


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Gran Onada IV - Hanse 350 #130


Posted By: bjoris
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 08:46
Mine was supposed to be 14,00, but it is 13,86 and I dont think it could have been much longer since I have a snuffer. 14,60 and a snuffer I think would be to long...

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H350#118
www.bjoris.blogspot.com


Posted By: e.verwey
Date Posted: 01 February 2011 at 15:37
Hi, I have the gennaker of 82 m2 on my 350. It fits perfectly. Maybe you could sail a size bigger if you have a gennakerboom because the distance to the top is bigger.



Edwin

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Edwin Verwey
Hanse 350#17 Mushanga
Zwolle Netherland


Posted By: Flemming M
Date Posted: 02 March 2011 at 13:10
I'm also concider a genuakker - not this year - but later. How do you fastend the bottom the blok in the bow? Is it nessesary with a bowsprit or how to do ? When we will have a genakker, is it only for family salling. What is a good solution : A snuffer or furler ?

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Flemming M,
Hanse 350 - DEN 233/#357
Hansine - Danmark


Posted By: coriolis2
Date Posted: 06 March 2011 at 16:45
Gran Onada, finally I'd find a few pics of the Genn.
It has a Dynema 10mm line in incorporated to improve furling, the roller is small but performes ok. We use a endless line of appr. 1m.






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"Coriolis" H350 #045 (ex Waarschip 570 #? 1987/1992, ex Waarschip 28LD #7 1994/2007)


Posted By: Flemming_M
Date Posted: 06 March 2011 at 18:25

Thanks a lot for the foto with shows the "simple" way too fastend the genakker in the bottom.



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Flemming M

Hanse 350/DEN233


Posted By: Gran Onada
Date Posted: 30 August 2011 at 08:55
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after looking again at your pictures, I am thinking on attaching the gennaker on the anchor sprit as you do, but I worry if it is strong enough.
 
Have you got any damages or deformation on the anchor sprit?
 
For the moment I attach it as per the picture and I am not ver happy with the performance.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Gran Onada IV - Hanse 350 #130


Posted By: coriolis2
Date Posted: 07 September 2011 at 18:13
Gran Onada, you're right! During the Borkum Helgoland race the complete anchor sprit was ripped of the deck. The 5 M10 bolts were just pulled out of the Alu plate laminated in the polyester.
Conditions wind 140' 5-6Bf. I had to use an hydraulic press to get the anchor hold in shape again, I'd use M12 bolts now. I'll try to fit an eye on the bow halfway the waterline to be able to elinate the vertical load with Dynema line.

Regards, Rob

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"Coriolis" H350 #045 (ex Waarschip 570 #? 1987/1992, ex Waarschip 28LD #7 1994/2007)


Posted By: Windsurfer
Date Posted: 07 September 2011 at 21:11
Oops...sorry to hear this Rob...that's what I'm constantly being scared by...the anchor sprit is definitely not a good Hanse solution to fly the genny...for light winds maybe but not for serious sailing...I will think of installing a permament bowsrit with a waterstay...

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Hanse 320 #079
White hull, tiller, short keel and rudder, standard North sails, Sparcraft rig


Posted By: Gran Onada
Date Posted: 08 September 2011 at 07:24
Originally posted by coriolis2 coriolis2 wrote:

Gran Onada, you're right! During the Borkum Helgoland race the complete anchor sprit was ripped of the deck. The 5 M10 bolts were just pulled out of the Alu plate laminated in the polyester.
Conditions wind 140' 5-6Bf. I had to use an hydraulic press to get the anchor hold in shape again, I'd use M12 bolts now. I'll try to fit an eye on the bow halfway the waterline to be able to elinate the vertical load with Dynema line.

Regards, Rob
 
Sorry to read this, but it is what I thought it may happend. At the very beggining of having the boat I did also try to attach the genn there and didn't like it, now you confirm I did right.
 
I think in the future I will go for a proper bow sprit, may be a selden or a fix handmade one.
 
Thanks for your answer


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Gran Onada IV - Hanse 350 #130


Posted By: Gordon Harrison
Date Posted: 08 September 2011 at 22:08
Sorry to hear about your damage.
 I have never thought that screwing stainless bolts into aluminium plate was structurally that strong so have always used the welded  eye on the stem. This is far from ideal and a bowspit is better but what is the best way to attach one, apparently not to the anchor plate.
 As windsurfer says a bridle or waterstay looks the only good way.  I have seen a modified plate somewhere on the my hanse site which looked a good solution but I do not want to increase the length of the boat. This is a tricky problem. 


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Gordon


Posted By: panos
Date Posted: 09 September 2011 at 14:44
@coriolis2,

Your inox parts are shinyBig%20smile.
You use a specific product or just TLC and hard work?


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Panos

Hanse 630e - selling her -


Posted By: coriolis2
Date Posted: 12 September 2011 at 18:19
Well Panos, nothing special really, I just hose it down when we get back as we're always on salt water. Must say to date I never just any polish or so, but then we only sailed 5200NM in 3.5 years.

Best regards, Rob

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"Coriolis" H350 #045 (ex Waarschip 570 #? 1987/1992, ex Waarschip 28LD #7 1994/2007)


Posted By: Sikan
Date Posted: 13 December 2021 at 17:10
Hi, I introduce myself I am new to the Forum and I am finally about to conclude the purchase of a Hanse 350, I would like to make the same modification as you as I would like to remove the trasto from the cockpit and put it on the deckhouse, but the distance between the vang and the point on the deckhouse seems too close to me, I wanted to understand if your boat originally carried the mainsail on the cockpit or had the blocks on the deckhouse?

Many thanks


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Sikan


Posted By: coriolis2
Date Posted: 21 December 2021 at 12:08
Hi Sikan, removing the mainsheet FROM the deckhouse to the cockpit was the first thing I had done even before handover of the boat. IMHO the sheet on the deckhouse limits control and it is almost halfway the boom, in case of an uncontrolled gybe this induces huge forces on the gooseneck.
However if you choose to replace the sheet this is (was) the standard location:




And this is the actual position:



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"Coriolis" H350 #045 (ex Waarschip 570 #? 1987/1992, ex Waarschip 28LD #7 1994/2007)



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